This will be a daily log on the happenings of the Mormon Church. I will share my opinions and viewpoints without holding back. The Mormon Church is a fraud and I will be exposing them on a daily basis. They can run and cover up but they can't hide from the "REAL TRUTH!!" Have no fear, the truth is here!!
Sunday, October 07, 2007
Mormon Hierarchy Have First Online Train Wreck...I Mean News Conference, With Religion Writers Only. What An Embarrassment!!
Back on October 2 of this past week, the desperate, Mormon cult Hierarchy, planned their first "Online News Conference", which I consider to be a massive train wreck, full of lies, outright deceptions, half-truths and double talk, you know, the normal modus operandi for the corrupt, lying Mormon Hierarchy and their payed pawns/PR and spokes people, that they parade in front of the camera to do their dirty work for them, when they get tired of lying and need a little break.
It's hard for me to watch this utter bullshit and believe that they're actually pretending and declaring that it's "the truth" and that they're just deceiving the world the way they are, despite so many of us in "the real world" knowing "the real truth." They actually think that the world is so damn, stupid and it is their arrogance and stupidity, that will eventually be their downfall and already is, in reality.
My guess is that they must be trying to reach out to the clueless and uneducated, since they can't possibly be trying to reach the educated, Internet connected people, can they? Well, I guess that's why they call it arrogance, because they actually think they can fool even the educated people of the world, who correctly believe that Mormonism is for fools and just another cult, a la David Koresh, Jim Jones, etc.
Anyway, I want to give a big shout out and thanks to Truthseeker for posting these videos, so that we can all watch them here in Mormon Truth and then dissect them and tell the everyone out there "the real truth", if they aren't aware of it already.
Intelligent people do occasionally get caught up in Mormonism and many are born into the Mormon cult, like many of us were; so maybe this will help them to realize that truth, reality and facts are more important than emotions and burning bosoms, which is really ALL that Mormonism has, presents and brings to the table. They really don't want anyone to go beyond the eye candy and surface, because once you get past that, you'll soon discover that it's rotten to the core.
This video is nothing but superficial bullshit, by two paid PR people, who couldn't care less about the truth. They are just doing and saying what the Mormon cult Hierarchy pays and tells them to do. It is my opinion that these online press conference and attempts to reach out only to the media, will fail miserably, like every other plan they've tried. I guess this is all part of "Truth Restored", which is their desperate plan to blitz the world through every avaialable type of media.
I wonder how those test markets for Jesus are going? Like Ballard and his thugs said, "if it doesn't work and we have to go back to the Quorum of the 12 and tell them that we have failed...", that they're basically screwed and have no more ideas. Of course they really don't answer to anybody, and are all in it together, since Scott and Ballard are Apostles and of course Richard Hinckley is Gordon's son. What would they do...fire them?!! Give me a break!! So enjoy and as always, your comments are welcome.
Wow, what exciting times for Mormons eh? You can feel the excitement in the air, as everyone anticipates and wonders who the next Apostle will be, who will slide into the First Presidency and have a few keys added to their key chain.
In order, the two videos above, are first, the EXACT words of M. Russell Ballard, regarding what he feels about his Mormon missionaries, 6 who had just been killed in a little over a month. I never get tired of sharing his hate with the world.
The second video was posted over on Google videos by Truthseeker, and are the most recent words of Ballard, as he attempted to answer various questions that are often posed regarding Mormonism. His answers are of course complete BS and double talk and more mind fucking, but that's par for the course and we should expect nothing different from any of these losers.
Finally, the audio clip is of M. Russell Ballard, at a Stake Conference, stating that "we don't know we're dead when we die." He stated it in the official capacity of a Mormon Apostle as official Mormon doctrine, that HAS TO BE TRUE, because his Grandpa personally knew it to be true and was an Apostle, therefore it can't be questioned. I apologize that the audio isn't better(with all the damn crying, Mormon babies in the background and no "crying rooms" for them to be taken to), but the main part that CLEARLY stands out, which you'll hear 3 times, is "We don't know we're dead when we die."
Here is the description I wrote for that audio, that I'll include when I post it on my Mormon Truth Interviews podcast:
M. Russell Ballard repeats at least 3 times, that "you don't know your dead when you die." He claims it's 100% true, because his Grandpa taught it, knew it personally and was an Apostle, so it can't be questioned and is 100% Mormon doctrine, now confirmed by 2 Mormon Apostles.
He says that you won't know your dead until you try to do something that you could do in the flesh, and won't be able to do it...then the light will go on in your spirit head, that you're dead.
So, I guess one day you wake up, try to go to the bathroom, take a shower, pet the cat, etc and you won't be able to do it. Then what? He never explains what you do, once you realize that you are indeed dead? LOL!!
He then tells everyone about a vision that Wilford Woodruff had, where he was in heaven, and Joseph Smith ran past him, then Brigham Young ran past him along with other famous Mormon General Authorities, all in a huge hurry.
Finally, he got Joseph Smith to stop and talk to him, just for a second and asked him why he was running and in such a hurry; Joseph explained that they were doing genealogy, or "the work" for everyone and they had to hurry, because their wasn't much time and that all of the other generations, had thousands of years to prepare and do their work, but that they only had a very short time.
Well, it's been over 160 years since Joseph Smith was shot to death in a gun battle, after he had the printing press destroyed and Christ hasn't returned yet. I wonder if he's still running back and forth, along with Brigham Young and all the other dumb shit, Mormon GAs, because the time is so short?
I guess the ALL powerful Mormon God, couldn't just snap his fingers and have the work done eh? Well, at least they're getting their exercise and I just hope they get breaks and lunch, so that they don't get too overworked, hungry and thirsty, while running around doing all that genealogy. Then again, maybe they still don't know that they're dead? LOL!! Can you guys believe this BS?!! =============
Anyway, Ballard is an idiot and therefore the PERFECT candidate to move into the First Presidency, to compliment the other two buffoons Thomas S. Monson and Gordon B. Hinckley.
As far as the new Apostle goes, my first guess would be Cecil O. Samuelson, for building a building for Hinckley and then naming it after him. After all, it worked for Bednar at BYU-Idaho. The other option would be Kim B. Clark, the President of BYU-Idaho, who gave up his career at Harvard, when "Moses"(Hinckley) called him. However, I don't think he's paid enough dues to be called yet, so maybe after the next guy kicks the bucket, he'll be called.
Now, the PERFECT choice for Apostle, would of course be Richard B. Hinckley, but the NEPOTISM, might terrify Gordon B. Hinckley, just like it did when he called him to be a Seventy and is therefore a long shot at best. I'm sure Hinckley would just love to slip him in before he kicked it and hey, if that's what the Mormon God wants, that's what he'll get and who is anyone to argue with King Hinckley, right?
Well, the conference just started and they had a commercial for Deseret book, advertising some 14 part video series on Joseph Smith. One lady said that "he was the most Christ-like man she's ever known or read about" and then some dumbass added that "Joseph Smith was the most loving and tender-hearted man that ever walked the face of the earth, or something along those lines. What a pathetic joke, as I already feel like puking and the General Conference hasn't even started!!
So, the semi-annual Mormon mind-fuck has begun and I can't wait to hear all of their other bullshit, that will be spewed from the Mormon pulpit. Just remember the words of the faithful cult member Van Hale, who preaches that NOTHING is official Mormon doctrine, including General Conference talks, so there's really no reason to give a flying shit about anything these dumb shits say, right? Well, at least according to Van Hale there isn't.
I'll add to this post, once they announce who the new Apostle of fraud is.
***UPDATE***
Well, the Hinckster just announced that Quentin L. (LaMar) Cook, is the new Apostle and thatHenry B. Eyring(who was my second choice behind Ballard) is the new member of the First Presidency, because he crys a lot and is very emotional...LOL!! He'll be able to fire up those old bosoms and sob like a baby, for The Lord. I can't wait to hear him talk this weekend, as I'm sure the tears will flow freely, and he'll be SO HUMBLED, etc...LOL!!
Truth is, that I've had something on Henry B. (Bennion) Eyring(Demon of Kolob knows what it is), that I've been saving for a few weeks, just in case he was called into the First Presidency, so that I'd have something to BLAST the damn hypocrite on, so let the blasting begin. I'll try to write that post this weekend, so that you can all see what a damn hypocrite the new member of the First Presidency is.
Part of what I have to say regarding Eyring, is infuriating and the other part is hilarious, as you'll all soon see. It just proves that they TRULY have no "spirit of discernment" whatsoever, even when EVIL, DISEASE GERM, full of darkness, anti-Mormon APOSTATES like myself, are right next to them...LMAO!! You would have thought the Holy Ghost would have whispered to him, but to no avail, as is normal with these frauds of the " Mormon God."
Truth is that they're all hypocrites, but we just have to catch them being a hypocrite, at the right time, in the right place, which I did with Mr. crybaby Henry B. Eyring.
Mormon Missionaries Using MANIPULATION Techniques And Absurd Examples, Taught At The MTC, To Try And COERCE These Young Women Into Getting BAPTIZED!!
I discovered this great video last night over on YouTube and I felt that EVERYONE needed to see it, especially Mormon Truth readers and supporters, or those looking to investigate Mormonism.
This video over on YouTube is in 9 parts, around 3 minutes each, but I've taken the time to put it into one consecutive video, just over 25 minutes in length, to make it easier to watch. Be sure to head over to YouTube and leave comments on these videos and let them know what you think.
For me, it is all too familiar, of what it was like to be on my mission and I've been having painful flashbacks, as I'm sure many of you returned missionaries will also have, as you watch this. Anything for the cult and lying for the Lord, is what it's all about folks!! This video certainly drives that point home.
It's hard to believe that I was such a brainwashed, uneducated dumbass, speaking to grown, mature adults, as if they were ignorant little children, trying to convince them that they weren't truly happy and couldn't possibly EVER be happy, unless they got baptized and became a Mormon.
Like the missionaries current "official" teaching guide(Preach My Gospel) says, as I paraphrase; "true eternal happiness can only come from being baptized a Mormon and no other way."
So, in other words, NO ONE is truly happy that isn't Mormon, in this life or the next, even if they don't realize it and they will be ETERNALLY miserable both here and there, wishing that they'd just chosen to be a Mormon when given the chance on earth or after they died, in spirit prison, where Mormons teach that people like non-Mormon "Mother Theresa" was forced to be sent, to be taught by Mormon missionaries.
If she said NO, then according to the loving, "Mormon plan of salvation", she'll be eternally separated from all of her loved ones, friends, family and EVERYONE that she ever helped, all around the world.
Meanwhile, complete assholes, perverts and child rapists, like Joseph Smith, the serial adulterer, liar and convicted criminal, and the vile, racist, blood-atoning Brigham Young, who preached "death on the spot", for blacks who mixed their seed with Caucasians...are basking in the glow of the highest level of Celestial glory, as Gods of worlds without number. Anyone else see a problem with this?!!
I mean what an absolutely ABSURD statement by Mormon Stake President/cult leader Tracy Branch!!
So, check it out...even a 21 year old Mormon missionary, gets a "free ticket", for dying on his mission, while Mother Theresa gets Mormon "spirit prison." Anyone else take issue with that? I mean no disrespect, but I'd like to know what William Angilau did, in Tracy Branch's opinion, that deserves or warrants the "free ticket", that Mother Theresa didn't get.
Oh yeah, he's Mormon for one thing and died on his mission=free ticket. A LIFETIME of helping people for over 70 years=Spirit prison and Joseph Smith being shot to death(in a gun battle in which he shot 3 men, killing 2) for lying about polygamy and destroying the printing press=PRICELESS!!
It takes some serious arrogance and cojones to basically CONDEMN "Mother Theresa" for all eternity, if she isn't Mormon. Amazing that all of her GREAT and AMAZING works, are rendered meaningless, unless she becomes a Mormon. I guess that type of arrogance is only fitting for the Mormon, literal "Gods-in-embryo."(Miracle Of forgiveness-Page 3)
I think the one thing I'd forgotten, was the incredible arrogance of Mormon missionaries, who truly believe they represent Jesus Christ and somehow think they have the entire world and eternity ALL figured out, since they believe that they belong to the "ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH" on the the face of the planet.
Of course EVERYONE else belongs to "false, corrupt abominations", "whores of all the earth", and "churches of the Devil"; according to their/Joe's beloved First Vision and proclaimed most correct book in the world...The Book of Mormon, which he "translated", by sticking his head in a hat, as confirmed by current Apostle Russell M. Nelsonand official Mormon Apologist, Daniel C. Peterson, who is the paid, right hand man of Mormon "Prophet" Hinckley.
Watching this video also reminded me of how fanatical the Mormon missionaries are, since obsessing with baptizing people, is all they do 24/7, for 2 years(UNDER TREMENDOUS FEAR AND THREATS FROM THEIR LEADERS, MISSION PRESIDENT, THE SEVENTIES, RIGHT UP THE LINE TO HINCKLEY, THE MORMON DICTATOR) and then when others don't understand their INTENSE obsession; they are offended, even laugh and just can't grasp why what they're saying, isn't as critically important to the people, as it is to them.
They are incredulous when someone's bosom doesn't instantly and spontaneously burn for ol'Joe and they find it inconceivable and incomprehensible. I speak from first hand experience and as Chicago/Peter Cetera once sang, "I Remember The Feeling."
If anyone wants to do a study on cults and the most obsessed, brainwashed, fanatical members of a cult; Mormon missionaries are the PRIME and PERFECT example and case study, as I can't think of many other mainstream cults that have members rising to the level of the fanaticism of a Mormon missionary, as everyone can clearly see in this clip.
The Missionaries Over At Mormon.Org, Are Getting A Little Upset These Days When Confronted By The "Real Truth." Remember Guys...Slow To Anger!!
I've taken the time over the last week, to confront a couple more missionaries or volunteers, or whatever they hell they are, over at Mormon.Org. The one I just talked to, was a complete asshole and just cut me right off, when I accused him/her of lying, which they were. Here is a linkto the other chat I had, in case you missed it.
Gee, wouldn't a representative of Jesus Christ be kinder and more loving and want to see why I thought they were lying and then express to me why they weren't lying, despite all of the evidence showing otherwise? I guess not!! By the way, the name of the person I was talking to was Adrian. Anyone else have a run-in with the friendly Adrian?
How much longer will this charade last(the cat's out of the bag dumb asses), as they must be getting bombarded by ex/anti-Mormons every single day. How many real people are actually going there to talk to them.
It must be the same bullshit day after day, being confronted with the shocking truth, then not answering our questions and telling us to read the Book of Mormon; because if it's true, Joseph Smith was a Prophet, the church is true and nothing we are asking them even matters, which is exactly what they tell me and everyone else that ventures in there.
Anyway, I'll post the 2 transcripts below so that you can all read them. The first one is about Dallin H. Oaks saying that they can't Ever criticize their leaders, even if the criticism is true and I then worked in Mountain Meadows Massacre and his admission that "without a doubt" Mormon leaders committed the slaughter.
The second one is about how they claim they don't condemn other religions, while openly condemning them from the First Vision forward, especially in the Book of Mormon. Adrian actually denied it again, right in the chat...OOPS!!
These guys know they are lying, when the truth is so obvious and clear; but they just think we are all idiots and will easily believe their den of lies and want to join the cult tomorrow.
Also, the Mormon Hierarchy has disabled the cut and paste option that used to be there in the chats, so now, all you have to do, is go up to File and click on Save as, and save it as a text file. You will have to do some editing, but at least we can still post our conversations with these brainwashed Mormons, for all the world to read.
Conversation #1:
Speak With a Missionary-Thank you for taking the time to chat with us and for your interest in the Church. Please know that you are welcome to worship with us any time, request a visit from Mormon missionaries, order a Book of Mormon, or continue to browse our Web site to learn more answers to life's greatest questions.
Addie: Hello! What can I do for you today?
Samuel: Yeah, I was curious to know more about the Mormon faith, after watching the PBS documentary called the Mormons.
Addie: Yes. That was an interesting program. What were some of your questions/concerns?
Samuel: Well, I was wondering if you are ever able to criticize your leaders and if you are punished when you do? They talked about all of the intellectuals that were excommunicated for speaking out and that is very troubling to me. So, are you allowed to criticize your leaders, especially the Apostles or Prophet?
Samuel: From what I've discovered, Dallin H. Oaks is one of your Prophets and he said the following:
Samuel: Sorry, go ahead and then I'll post the quote by Oaks
Samuel: Are you still there? (I'd waited like 5 minutes with no response at all and there was at least a 2 minute gap after almost every question I asked them.)
Addie: We believe that when a prophet speaks he does so by revelation and speaks the word and will of the Lord. The members of our Church sustain our leaders, which means committing to support them in their decisions.Also,
Samuel: So, they can never EVER be wrong? They are perfect and infallible? Aren't they imperfect men, just like any other man? That's what I've always believed, that no one is perfect...
Addie: in that process, they have the opportunity to voice objections and oppositions to those leaders. However, there is a difference between voicing objections and speaking against established doctrine
Addie: Prophets are not perfect.
Samuel: So, you can criticize them publicly, if you feel they are wrong or out of line, without any problems?
Addie: However, when they speak as directed by revelation, which is not everything they say, we believe it is the word of God
Samuel: If Prophets are not perfect, then anyone should be able to criticize them in my opinion, including Mormons themselves, right?
Samuel: How do you or does the world know when they are speaking by revelation or just as common men that make mistakes?
Addie: We are encouraged to pray about their words when they speak. Always, they invite us to know for ourselves and asking the Lord if what they speak is the truth.They never ask us to blindly obey.
Addie: Also, they will usually inform us of their opinions
Addie: For this reason, I personally have never found reason to criticize them
Samuel: So, let's say that they are not speaking by revelation and say something that isn't true? Can you openly criticize them for it with no fear of punishment?
Samuel: So, it's all based on what someone feels, whether it's true or not? What if you feel it's revelation and someone else doesn't?
Samuel: They don't ask you to blindly obey? But what if you pray about what they've said and you feel that it's wrong? Then what? Is that a problem?
Addie: When prophet is speaking by revelation, they make it clear that revelation is the source.
Samuel: Here's my question again; if you feel, after praying, that the Prophet or Apostles are wrong in what they are saying; can you openly criticize them for it without being punished?
Samuel: Do they allow you to speak your mind, even if it's against what they are saying? You said they aren't perfect, therefore they could screw up and make mistakes, teach false things, etc, right?
Addie: Why would you want to be part of the church if you feel that the prophets and apostles are wrong?
Samuel: Well, you earlier admitted that they aren't perfect, therefore they could be wrong. Either they are perfect and infallible or they aren't, right?
Addie: I know, from personal experience that these prophets are men of God. I trust their judgment and accept that they are not perfect. But I believe that I can trust in the counsels that God gives to them.
Samuel: I'm just trying to understand this, I really am. I have a lot of friends that are Mormon and they seem to blindly obey, saying that their leaders can never make a mistake or lead them astray in anyway and that if they try, God will literally remove them, is this true?
Addie: The most important thing that we can do is to seek
Samuel: But you still haven't answered my main question; can you criticize them, ever?
Samuel: even if they are wrong?
Addie: God's guidance through prayer to know if the prophets are acting according to the will of God.
Samuel: By admitting that they are human, they can make mistakes and can you then state openly how you feel about those human mistakes and errors, thus criticizing them?
Samuel: So, you do follow them blindly?
Samuel: Why pray to understand them or know what they are saying is true, if they can't ever teach anything wrong? It seems very redundant to me to pray about something that you already know can't possibly be wrong, ever?
Samuel: Look, here's the quote from Oaks:
Addie: Samuel I'd love to answer your questions, but it's tough to answer four at a Time.
Samuel: "It's wrong to criticize leaders of the church, even if the criticism is true."
Addie: Can I answer them one at a time?
Samuel: 4 at a time? I've been asking you the same exact question over and over, without you being willing to answer it. Again, can you openly criticize leaders of the Mormon church? I'll answer it for you, since you refuse to, and the answer is...no, because Dallin H. Oaks says you can't, even if the criticism is true and that's what troubles me greatly as an investigator and someone trying to learn more about your church.
Addie: I'm glad that you've got sincere desires to learn.
Samuel: I consider myself to be an intellectual and inquisitive person, therefore not being able to ever object to anything these imperfect men say would be hell for me and would take away my freedom of expression and thought.
Addie: One thing that Jesus taught us in Matthew Chapter 6 is that we are not to cast judment on others whether they are prophets or not. We can disagree with views that they have, but criticism is really not necessary; that is a form of judgment
Samuel: I found that comment by Oaks to be so offensive, that I about fell off of my chair. It's like he thinks that he is God or Jesus Christ and cannot ever be criticized, even it the criticism is true. Those are not the words of man who sees himself as imperfect and that's not free agency or freedom at all.
Samuel: Would you ever state Addie that no one should ever criticize you, even if the criticism is true? Do you understand why this troubles me, when earlier you admitted that they aren't perfect, yet they say that they are beyond any criticism? It seems very contradictory to me in every way.
Addie: I understand perfectly. It's alright to express your concern with those whom you are concerned with. But that issue is between you and the person you disagree with. I welcome counsel and constructive criticism, but there isn't a point in pointing out.
Addie: weakness publicly whether prophets or not.
Samuel: Also, when talking about Mountain Meadows Massacre, Dallin H. Oaks said that:
"I have no doubt, on the basis of what I have studied and learned, that Mormons, including local leaders of our church, were prime movers in that terrible episode and participated in the killing."
Samuel: So, if you disagree with the Prophet or Dallin H. Oaks for example, can you go sit down with him and discuss it in private? Do they allow any member to meet with them?
Addie: They are always welcome to letters and other forms of communication.
Samuel: So, can you publicly criticize the Prophet with "constructive criticism?"
Addie: Can I ask, what do you understand a prophet to be?
Samuel: So, let me ask you this; Dallin H. Oaks openly admits that Mormon leaders killed all of those poor people at Mountain Meadows, but you aren't allowed to criticize them for the horrible murders they committed? According to Dallin H. Oaks, even if they murder innocent men, women and children, as he has now admitted to, you CAN'T criticize them...that's insane!
Samuel: He also hopes that the Lord will forgive these murderous Mormon leaders, when I believe murder is the unforgivable and unpardonable.
Samuel: I believe a Prophet is a man of God, who speaks and acts for God
Addie: Samuel, I don't feel that you're being very sincere about listening to theanswers to your questions. Those acts of those men who committed that horrible act were not endorsed by the prophet and when he heard of their acts he was very disappointed...
Samuel: Disappointed? 120 people were slaughtered by Mormon leadership and he was disappointed? I just don't know how to overcome these major concerns, as all my friends are trying to get me to take the missionary discussions and get baptized. That's why I'm here today, to see if I can resolve these concerns with you...
Addie: with them and they were excommunicated.
Addie: The real question you need to ask is to God.
Addie: If these men speak and act for God is there reason to criticize?
Samuel: So why did Oaks say that Mormon leaders were the "prime movers" and "participated in the killings?"
Addie: He was speaking of the local leaders, not of the prophets (so like a bishop). We do not consider such men to be prophets.
Samuel: So, it's okay to publicly criticize a Bishop then? Only John D. Lee was executed or excommunicated for those crimes and there were over 100 men committing the murderers.
Addie: Do you believe that God can answer prayers?
Samuel: Okay, let me ask you this, as I've been researching this Mountain Meadows tragedy....was John D. Lee guilty of murdering these poor people or not?
Samuel:I don't believe God has to answer questions that are already answered by the facts and truth, nor do I have to ask him if they answers are already obvious and clear.
Addie: I understand your concerns, but I know that all the questions you have will be answered by a much simpler question. "Is the Book of Mormon true?"
Samuel: What?
Samuel: Mountain Meadows Massacre is discussed in the Book of Mormon?
Samuel: I had no idea...
Samuel: What part?
Addie: If the Book of Mormon is true then the church is true and so are the prophets. That act was not an act of the Church, but of misguided men, and as such really doesn't effect a person's testimony of the doctrines of the church.
Samuel: I discovered that John D. Lee was also sealed to Brigham Young too, which is strange. Back then, men sealed themselves to each other in the Mormon temple?
Addie: If you find out that the Book of MOrmon is true you will still understand that this was a horrible act that should never have taken place, but you will also know that it was not an act of God, and that the church, which tried to stop it, is of God.
Addie: I would invite you to pray and ask god of if the Book of Mormon is true with a sincere heart. Will you do that?
Samuel: So, if the Book of Mormon is true, then the Mormon church is perfect and true and has never, ever made any mistakes and their leaders are infallible and can never, ever be criticized(even if the criticism is true), and they have never made any mistakes?
Samuel: Was John D. Lee a murderer?
Addie: Samuel, will you pray with a sincere heart?
Samuel: Answer my last question please
Samuel: I'm only asking you about John D. Lee, because I don't know if you are aware or not, that in 1961, the Mormon Hierarchy fully restored his blessings and forgave him for all of those awful and tragic murders he committed, of men women, children, even babies...and that also shocks me and troubles my soul deeply. Why would they do this?
Addie: I really don't know enough about that event to give you a difinitive answer, but I do know that this church is Jesus Christ's. If you will pray with a sincere heart and faith, you will find the same.
Addie: I hope you have a great evening.
Samuel: John D. Lee was the adopted son of Brigham Young, through their sealing together in the Salt Lake City temple and he was executed for his crime of mass murder and they've now forgiven him. Why?
Samuel: Praying won't answer these questions and you never told me if Mountain Meadows is discussed in the Book of Mormon, as you seemed to indicate.
Samuel: Do you not care at all about facts or evidence?
Samuel: So, is the Mormon church the one and only true church on earth?
Addie: I care about the spirit of God. I know the Book of Mormon is true and as such, I know that the Church of Jesus Christ is the only true and living church that is guided by God himself on the earth. If you simply find that out the other questions won't...matter anymore.
Samuel: Is my church really an abomination, with false doctrines and corrupt professors, as Joseph Smith clearly indicated. You are the only people on earth that have the truth? Everyone else is guided by Satan?
Addie: Please pray. I know you'll get an answer.
Samuel: The other questions won't matter anymore? Are you serious?
Addie then cut me off and abruptly ended the conversation, refusing to answer any of my questions, insisting that the only thing that mattered, was the Book of Mormon and that "If you simply find that out that it's true, then the other questions won't matter anymore."
Now, those are the true fruits of Mormonism folks. Facts, truth, logic and reality mean nothing and all that matters is that you believe the Book of Mormon is true, end of story, if it's true, it's all true, Joseph Smith was a Prophet and the church is true, and nothing else matters.
Conversation #2:
Speak With a Missionary-Thank you for taking the time to chat with us and for your interest in the Church. Please know that you are welcome to worship with us any time, request a visit from Mormon missionaries, order a Book of Mormon, or continue to browse our Web site to learn more answers to life's greatest questions.
Referral Support: Hello, My name is Adrian how can I help you?
Mike: Hey Adrian, where are you at?
Mike: Are you an actual missionary from the MTC?
Referral Support: were are in Utah
Mike: I figured that, but are you a student, a missionary, or what? I've heard that the folks on here are from the MTC or BYU?
Referral Support: I am a member of the Church.
Mike: Uh yeah, I figured that too...I mean what are the odds that the Mormon church would put somebody on here that wasn't even a Mormon? So, I guess you can't tell me what you are, if you're a missionary, student or whatever, which is fine.
Mike: I just wondered where I was talking to, if you were in Salt lake, Provo, etc, but obviously you aren't allowed to share that information with the public.Well, hopefully you can help me out anyway and will be more forthcoming on my other questions...
Referral Support: you are correct, I am not to share that kind of information.
Referral Support: I will do my best to answer yor questions
Mike: Sounds a little paranoid to me, since it was just a general question, but okay, hopefully they'll allow you to speak freely regarding other things.
Mike: I've always heard how secret the Mormon church is, especially regarding the temple, and I guess it's true.
Referral Support: Ok mike , I dont want to give you information about myself that is all
Mike: Anyway, I've been Catholic all my life and since moving to Utah, I've become interested in learning more about Mormons
Mike: Yeah, because I might track you down, right? LOL
Mike: whatever man
Mike: But I've read in Mormon Doctrine, which was written by one of your Apostles and also I've been reading in the book of Mormon
Referral Support: I dont want. it is simple , I am not goint to ask about your personal information.
Referral Support: ok
Mike: and it looks like you guys have really issues with Catholics or any other religion
Referral Support: we dont
Mike: Looks like we got off on a very bad foot
Mike: You don't?
Referral Support: I was catholic
Referral Support: all my family is catholic, I love them
(For some reason at this point, we were suddenly disconnected. I quickly logged back in and happened to get Adrian again and so we continued on with out conversation for a little while longer. Adrian had no idea what happened and it certainly wasn't anything I did. It must have been that Mormon God, intervening to help his servant and representative...LOL.)
Referral Support: Hi mike, I dont know what happend
Referral Support: sorry we got disconected
Mike: Yeah, me either...it just disconnected...I thought you hung up on me
Referral Support: no I didnt
Referral Support: ok , so do you have some questions
Referral Support: ?
Mike: Anyway, like I was saying, it looks to me like you guys have serious issues with Catholics or any other religion
Mike: Maybe you can help me understand somethings
Referral Support: okay
Mike: First of all, do you believe that your church is "the one and only true church" on the planet earth?
Referral Support: yes I do.
Mike: I believe the First Vision of Joseph Smith says that Jesus said, that all other churches are abominations with corrupt professors(preachers) and wrong doctrines, or something like that...
Referral Support: they are not guided by God.
Mike: So, if you have "the one and only truth", what does that say about my religion and the religions of most of my friends and family? Why do we have to become Mormon?
Mike: So, you are telling me that my religion is not guided by God? By what authority do you tell me this?
Mike: You realize that's offensive, right?
Referral Support: well, that is what I believe (No apologies of course)
Referral Support: dont take offence on that
Mike: It's funny how Mormons and your leaders always say that they never cut down any other religion...but you clearly do, by saying that you have the only truth on earth and that all the rest are abominations, corrupt and wrong.
Mike: Yeah, but your church believes that everyone needs to be a Mormon, in this life or the next, right? That's why you baptize dead people.
Mike: So, if Mormonism is "the one and only true church" on earth, then all the other religions are indeed false, right?
Referral Support: We are the only true Church, I know that. we have prophets and apostles that recieve revelation from God. All other Churches are full of great people, great feelings and amazing teachings , but lack authority to act in God's name
Mike: Do you believe that Satan runs my church and that it's of the Devil?
Mike: You believe this why? (This was an answer to their last comment)
Referral Support: no, I dont think so.
Mike: Aren't you just making the same claim that most religions make?
Referral Support: well you tell me what do you believe?
Mike: You believe in the Book of Mormon, right? Joseph said it's the most correct book on earth or something like that didn't he?
Referral Support: what do you believe about the LDS church and your church?
Mike: I don't believe that you have to belong to one particular church in order to be saved...I believe it's based on the kind of person you are and how you treat others, not whose church you call home. Referral Support: well you said you were catholic, and that is not what they believe
Mike: Well, we are talking about what you believe and preach, not what I believe and in the Catholic church, we don't go around openly condemning other churches, calling them the church of the devil and abominations, whores of all the earth and Mothers of Harlots and we try to be kind to everyone.
Referral Support: but what is your doctrine?
Mike: So, you tell me what my doctrine is, since you are so well informed about it
Referral Support: you certanly believe exactly what you are criticizing from the LDS church
Mike: That unless you are a Catholic, you're screwed? That's what I believe?
Referral Support: the catholic Church to be the only true church.
Mike: Well, at least we don't preach that Mormons and all other churches are the church of Satan and the whore of all the earth
Referral Support: we dont prach about anybody else, We actually dont preach about others at all. (Can you believe that shit? I can't believe they actually said this? Now tell me that they didn't know they were outright lying when they made this statement!!)
Mike: Still there?(There was a very long pause before their last comment and this comment of mine, as they both popped up at the same time.) You believe in the Book of Mormon, don't you? Well, it greatly insults me and any other religion out there, yet your church claims that we are all evil
Mike: Saying you don't preach about other religions is an outright lie and you know it
Referral Support: Mike , is not a lie, and please remember what your religion claims before you criticize the LDS church for what it claims
1 Nephi 14:10.....Behold there are save two churches only, one is the church of the lamb of God and the other is the church of the DEVIL, wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the MOTHER OF ABOMINATIONS; and she is the WHORE of all the earth.
1 Nephi 13:34...wherefore, after I have visited them in judgment, and smitten them by the hand of the Gentiles, and after the Gentiles do stumble exceedingly, because of the most plain and precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that ABOMINABLE church, which is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS, saith the Lamb--I will be merciful unto the Gentiles in that day, insomuch that I will bring forth unto them, in mine own power, much of my gospel, which shall be plain and precious, saith the Lamb.
Referral Support: Take care
Mike: Where are you going?!! I wasn't done...
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That was the abrupt end of the chat. I guess they can't handle "the real truth", can they? Hypocritical jackasses!!
I look forward to everyone's comments on these chats.
Here Come The Mormons With "Truth Restored!!" They're Getting Ready To Blitz The World Through TV, Radio, Newspaper, Billboards And The Internet.
I first want to thank Kay over at the "Ex-Mormon Skeptic blog", for writing the post that brought this to my attention. There are also a couple of condensed versions of this video over on Youtube. One is on already on their blog and here's a linkto the other "enhanced version", that I highly suggest you watch.
This is the "new" marketing plan/blitz/campaign that is being rolled out by the Mormon cult Hierarchy(in order to suck more people into their cult), which was supposedly revealed to them by Jesus Christ himself, since they are his "special witnesses."
They claim to be the only men on the entire planet earth that have the authority to speak for Jesus, with Hinckley holding ALL the "keys." Has Hinckley ever used his keys even once? Does he or anyone even know what the keys really are? They claim that THEY are the "one and only true church" and all the rest are abominations, corrupt and false.
They teach in "Preach My Gospel, the official missionary teaching guide used everyday all around the world, that you CANNOT have Eternal happiness or be with your friends and loved ones in the next life, unless you are a Mormon.
Like their Book of Mormon declares repeatedly; there is the church of God and the church of the Devil and if you aren't Mormon, then you are in the church of Satan himself and there is NO disputing this TBMS and apologists, so don't even try. You're apologetic bullshit won't work here!!
They never even mention that this new cult campaign "Truth Restored", came from Jesus Christ, but it had to if they speak for him as they claim, right? Strange that they didn't give him the credit though, isn't it? Hmm...maybe since it was their idea and had nothing to do with any God or Jesus, it might explain this obvious and very grievous omission.
They are going to blitz the radio, TV, billboards, magazines(playboy?) and Internet with ads, that have nothing to do with Mormonism, rather feelings and burning bosoms. The funny thing is, that I thought they'd already been doing this for the last 20 years plus?
They are simply re-dressing and re-naming their already failed plans of the past and trying again, spinning it as something new and exciting, that will breakthrough and be wonderful and motivate the Morgbots.
Hmm...I guess all of those TV/Radio/Billboard/magazine ads that I've been seeing and hearing since my childhood and then my whole adult life, wasn't really them or they were just completely ineffective, which is what I've always suspected. No more free stuff being offered either, by toll-free 800 numbers on TV commercials, as it was ineffective and cost them/Jesus Christ too much money. They just figured this out? Mormon God/Jesus, where are you man?
Of course, these are the dumbasses that stand at the pulpit and declare with a straight face, that "they can't ever lead you astray" and "to keep your eyes riveted on them." What are we waiting to see?
Also, I thought that they were strongly against the Internet, constantly preaching to everyone how evil and dangerous it is, even banning YouTube and other dangerous sites at BYU and getting all of my videos and Chymiron's banned from Youtube. Now they say that "These people live with the Internet" and "it's a very familiar tool with them." WTF?!!
Now they are also going to give you "pass-along cards"(or maybe you'll have to buy them at Jesus' Deseret Bookstore) to pass out to all of your non-member family and friends. These cards will lead the poor suckers to Mormon.Org, where they can go and NOT learn the truth and just read a bunch of BS, half-truths and outright lies.
Any mention there of blacks being forbidden to have the Priesthood, that blacks are the seed of Cain and represent Satan, women not being able to pray in church for 10 years or Joseph Smith's polygamy and marriage to little girls and other men's wives, with the promise of Celestial glory, in the name of God, due to being threatened by a homicidal angel wielding a flaming sword?
No, of course not, because that's the meat/AKA skeletons they hope you never find out about. Trust me, there will be no mention of any of this or any doctrine at all, in their campaign scam they'll be running soon, in a neighborhood near you.
They should rename the campaign "Truth Revoked" or "Truth...what's that" or "Truth...Just Give Us Your Damn Money!!" In the comments, leave your other suggestions as to what they could name this BS PR campaign.
It's funny too, because they act like they just discovered the Internet and banner ads and are SO EXCITED..LOL!! I guess that silly Mormon God/Jesus Christ is a little behind the times as usual.
Maybe he was too busy up there on Kolob, running around doing his genealogy or having sex with his wives without number, to pay attention to what was happening here on his little earth? He's like, "holy shit, my church is going down the toilet, Satan is stronger than ever and I'd better re-tool things quickly as those dumbasses running it don't have a damn clue."
Also, watch for the human statue, barely a pulse and non-expressive Richard G. Scott, Mormon Apostle, that usually talks excessively about sexual purity and morality, to say twice; "I'm just so excited." No matter how often he tries to say how excited he is, while straining to look excited; he doesn't look excited...LOL!!
This video smacks of desperation and it just look like 2 old men, M. Russell Ballard(direct descendant of Joseph Smith, who doesn't care if missionaries get hurt or killed) and Richard G. Scott, who realize their time has come and gone and that they have failed miserably and now they are desperately trying one last ditch effort to recover something that isn't recoverable.
I mean hell, give me billions of dollars to work with and let's see what kind of marketing campaign I can put together. Are these guys really that dumb and clueless? Actually, they are that dumb and just plain cheap and are just now realizing that they are going to have to spend a lot more of Jesus' sacred mall and downtown reconstruction money, if they have any shot of getting any converts and more tithing money and donations rolling in.
It also helps keep them in business, when brainwashed customers voluntarily give them 10% of their money and all other kinds of donations, even though they get very little or nothing in return.
Ballard says something like "the day of waiting for something to happen is over." Well, what the hell were you thinking there Ballard? After all, aren't you the head of the Church's missionary efforts and have been for a damn long time? You have no one to blame but your old pathetic self!!
I think the average number of baptisms per missionary, all around the world, is between 4-5 per missionary per year. That of course factors in the missionaries in South and Central America, who are baptizing 20+ people on their missions. Many USA missionaries and those in Europe, are lucky to even get one in 2 years.
If this was a corporation and these were their sales numbers; they'd all be fired, starting with CEO and they'd probably be bankrupt too. Of course it helps out when the salesmen all work for free and actually pay the corporation cult for the privilege of not making any sales and their utter failure.
The magic of the late 80's and early 90's is gone forever folks and will never be regained, as people just aren't as stupid and gullible anymore, with the truth being spread around the world on the Internet. Isn't this new information age wonderful?
They can no longer hide their skeletons in the closet, while pretending that they don't exist, as they have fallen out and are now laying everywhere you look, all over the ground.
They are so far behind reality and the truth is already out there for the world, and the cat is out of the bag and can't be put back in and the massive exodus out of Mormonism is only going to continue to roll forth, like that giant stone they always reference from Daniel.
It's amazing that the Mormon Hierarchy have allowed this video to be seen by the public and that they even allow and encourage you to download it on their main site, in order to share it with family, friends, etc, as they encourage in the video itself, which is exactly what I'm doing. A big thanks to "Truth Seeker" for making this video available for all of us and for allowing me to write the description.
In addition to allowing downloading for personal and noncommercial use, they also say, "In addition, materials may be reproduced by media personnel for use in traditional public news forums unless otherwise indicated." I would say that Google video is pretty traditional, as is blogger.
Their wish is my command, so enjoy everyone, as I'm just reporting the news!!
I wonder if the influence of "Mormon Truth" had any influence on them using "Truth Restored?" They read my blog all the time from the church office building and shut down my videos, but Nah...it's just a coincidence I'm sure?
But, I'm really looking forward to comments on this gem of a video and the new plan of Jesus Christ, called "Truth (now) Restored."
Thanks everyone for your support and all that you do to spread the truth of the Mormon cult to the world.
(***I'd like to thank whomever the person is that flagged this video "for mature audiences only." I know the subject matter might be difficult for some people(especially TBMS or Mormon apologists or Mormon leaders in denial) to deal with, but this video came straight off of the local 10 o'clock news here in Utah and should not be labeled "for mature audiences only." I agree that this story is tragic and horrific, but it is a fact that this young man died as a supposed servant of Jesus Christ and was not protected by his Jesus, Jesus' supposed Prophet/Apostles or his garments, which the Mormon Hierarchy promise will protect him. What happened to that spirit of discernment, AGAIN, that they're supposed to have and brag about on a regular basis? This is a story that everyone needs to see, especially future missionaries and their families.***) =======
William T. Anguilau Jr. was serving in the Seattle, Washington mission when he was tragically killed last week after being hit while riding his bike. His Stake President wanted to go before the news cameras, to make sure that everyone knows that the family is just fine with everything and that they accepted it as a "simply an extension of his mission on the other side" and that his family "doesn't have any ill will with either the person that hit him or the church."
The last part about the family not being upset with the church, is the most important part of course, for the church and especially their cult leader Gordon B. Hinckley and all the future Mormon missionaries. Bottom line is that everything is just fine, the works going forward, no worries people, IT'S ALL GOOD!!
Remember everyone, that the OFFICIAL position of the Mormon Hierarchy, as taught and stated by the Mormon Apostle M. Russell Ballard(a direct and very proud blood descendant of Joseph Smith) is that it doesn't matter if Mormon missionaries get HURT or KILLED in the future, IT WILL NOT STOP THIS WORK!! The work and the cult will always, ALWAYS trump human life, according to these evil BASTARDS sitting in their ivory tower of shame at 50 East North Temple, in Salt Lake City, Utah.
The Mormon Hierarchy lives the life of Kings, while missionaries suffer tremendous hardship and even give their lives for these ASSHOLES. They fail to teach the missionaries any safety tips and have them so scared to get their numbers and baptize, that they probably do things that they wouldn't normally do and go to places they would never normally go to and they end up making pressured and sometimes irrational decisions that they normally wouldn't make.
They are forced to ride bikes in cities crowded with cars and on busy roads, where bikes have no business even being. Does the Mormon Hierarchy spend time teaching auto safety in the MTC or what to do if they come across a robbery or murderer, or someone with a gun? Of course they don't, because they don't give a shit about any of them.
Was William T. Anguilau Jr. or any other missionary given a special course in the MTC on bike safety? I doubt it, as they were too busy teaching the missionaries all of their bold faced lies and fairy tales and how to manipulate people into their cult corporation and also, because nobody in the great and spacious building gives a rat's ass if missionaries are hurt or killed, as plainly stated by M. Russell Ballard.
Bottom line is that the safety of missionaries doesn't even cross the minds of the Mormon Hierarchy and it never has and never will, fully supported by M. Russell Ballard, the head asshole of the missionary department.
In this video, The Stake President Tracy Branch, says that William now has a "free ticket so to speak and WE'RE GLAD OF THAT....and that he returned with honor." So even though there is no way normally, to spin a tragic death into something wonderful, positive and faith promoting for future Mormon cult missionaries and their families, they've tried to do it once again, especially mentioning his "free ticket" to Paradise. Who wouldn't want a "free ticket", right?
Damn, it kind of sounds like a teaching of some famous cult leaders like Jim Jones, David Koresh or what was taught in the Heaven's Gate cult, doesn't it? Isn't this what organized religion is really all about though? Doesn't everyone want that "free ticket so to speak?"
How repulsive and sad, to hear the pathetic Stake President Tracy Branch spewing the same old typical bullshit, that the Mormon leadership spews after missionaries are tragically killed. It's always a "cover your ass as quickly as possible routine", the second a Mormon missionary is tragically killed, injured, attacked, etc.
I mean after all, this Stake President gets some camera time and if he handles it well enough and defends the Goddamn cult, he might get a promotion in the cult corporation, right? I'm sure he received the congratulatory phone call from Hinckley or one of his cronies, commending him and how well he handled the situation and I'm sure good things now await the heartless scumbag.
I wish the best for William T. Anguilau Jr's family, who is just perfectly fine and have no issue whatsoever with William's death and understand it to simply be an "extension of his mission", according to their loving, caring and understanding Stake President/cult leader Tracy Branch, who would always put the family first and the cult second, right? Apparently not!!
Of course with yet another death of a Mormon missionary, which brings the total to at least 9(that we've heard of-which doesn't include robberies, car jackings, rapes, beatings, etc) in around 16 months time, it brings several issues to mind.
The other day I was reading on RFM and a poster that I highly respect named Cheryl(I think this is the same Cheryl that Steve Benson was allowed(by Susan I/S) to ridicule and openly attack, right after she announced her daughter had just been sent to the hospital) was getting a lot of grief from people that felt no one should ever mention that fact that Mormon garments don't protect missionaries or anyone else. They said that she was mocking the missionaries and making fun of them...WTF?!!
They felt that she was out of line, insensitive and many other colorful adjectives. She couldn't figure out why everyone was so pissed off and attacking her, since she was trying to save future lives and point out the truth, which is that garments protect no one, EVER and never have and that everyone needed to know the "real truth."
So, after reading her comments and those of others, I was pretty pissed off and I decided to respond and this is what I had to say about the subject:
I'm with you and support you Cheryl 100%! Thank you for this post.
The Mormon Hierarchy teaches that Mormon garments will protect you, which is a damn lie.
How many of us ex-Mormons heard the FPRs growing up about Mormon garments? J. Willard Marriott even shared his personal experience and testimony, in the 60 minute interview about his boat catching on fire, and how nothing that was covered by his garments got burned, etc. He flat out stated that garments protect you from harm and he's currently serving as an Area Authority Seventy back in the Virginia area, as a member of the third Quorum of the Seventy.
Did the Mormon Hierarchy issue a correction on their former "mistakes in the media" page, stating that J. Willard Marriott's FPR wasn't true? Of course not, because they want people to believe their cult bullshit and FPRs. Isn't it more offensive to say that he was protected by garments, while many others aren't? What does this say? Does the Mormon God only protect the elite and rich Mormons? Is he just more worthy than the rest of the "regular Mormons?"
Was it that those that died weren't worthy? It's like Benjamin Ellsworth's mission president mentioning, right after he died, that he'd just met with him a day or 2 before and that "he was worthy." Why did he have to point that out? What did that have to do with anything? Apparently then, worthiness has nothing to do with garments protecting you? Gee, I thought it did? Even Hinckley says you won’t get sick on your mission and cause the work to “grind to a halt”, if you are “obedient” to all the rules. Wouldn’t this include death? So I guess the opposite is also true, meaning that any missionary that dies, is considered unworthy by the Mormon Hierarchy, right? Now that’s offensive!
So, when missionaries are crushed by trains, like Benjamin Ellsworth was, or burned to death in a car crash, like the two over in New Zealand, or hit by a car and killed or like Morgan Young, who was shot and killed working in an unsafe area full of regular gunfire(as his companion said to a newspaper here in Utah), I think it is our duty, as ex-Mormons that know the truth, to point out that GARMENTS DON'T PROTECT ANYONE and many other things.
In fact, I think it is irresponsible not to point this out and by pointing it out, we can actually help to save lives, like Cheryl pointed out. We can also point out that missionaries are not being led by Jesus Christ or "inspired men of God" and that's why they are working in unsafe areas, towns and countries, every single day. Is that offensive too? What is okay to talk about?
I can't believe that so many ex-Mormons are so afraid or timid to point out the truth and facts, no matter what the situation is. Do we want to help others or not? By pointing out the fact that missionaries dying, is a glaring example of how garments don't protect anyone and is another example of the Mormon Hierarchy lying, and is very necessary and not being cold, mean or mocking in my opinion.
I mean hell, if anyone should be protected, it should be Jesus' personal servants on earth, the missionaries, shouldn't it? Maybe they were masturbating and not worthy of the protection of the garments? It's ridiculous!
Isn't the myth that garments will protect you (which the Mormon Hierarchy teaches and allows to be perpetuated by their General Authorities in national TV interviews), far worse than us ex-Mormons pointing out that they are lying AGAIN and that garments don't protect anyone?
Isn't it the Mormon Hierarchy that is openly mocking the dead missionaries and their families and then using them for PR, like when Ballard says, "In many ways, Elder Young has been transferred" and "that he continues to preach his message in another sphere."
By pointing out that garments are useless and don't protect anyone, we aren't "mocking" the dead missionary, rather just telling it like it is, exposing the Mormon cult and hopefully helping others in the process, to turn on their brain and realize the garment myth is complete bullshit and hopefully we are helping to prevent future deaths, like Cheryl is pointing out. Is this concept too deep for some of you?
Morgan Young's mom said "I'm proud that he died with his boots on." In other words, they are very strong and devout in the church, have 2 more kids getting ready for missions(they are more determined than ever now to go and say that they now have a legacy to fulfill left by Morgan) and nothing would ever affect their testimony. If the death of their son didn't phase them, nothing ever will.
They had their photo op with Hinckley and Ballard, the day of the funeral, who used Morgan's death as a PR stunt and assured everyone that "missions were the safest place for a 19-21 year old to be." Yeah, nice, loving words AT A FUNERAL of a missionary that was just KILLED.....I guess they were just taking the Boyd KKK Packer approach toward funerals?
Why are ex-Mormons pissed about people pointing out that garments didn't protect these missionaries, when it's THE TRUTH? Is that heartless and mocking the dead missionaries? Really? Are you guys serious? I guess there isn't ever a time to talk about it then, is there? I guess we all need to live in fear and utter trepidation of discussing such a touchy subject or offending "the Mormons?” Our attack is clearly on the Mormon Hierarchy, not the missionaries, so figure it out people and get a clue.
I guess it's kind of like how the Mormon Hierarchy call us apostates "evil, "disease germs", "full of darkness", "dangerous", that "they should run from us as fast as they can", "anti-Christs", etc? Yeah, I guess we need to be nice and loving to these folks, right?
Now, if us ex-Mormons want to get pissed about something and re-direct our anger to the proper place, we should all be focused on what the asshole Mormon Apostle Ballard had to say, in January of 2006, right after 5 missionaries had been tragically killed in about a month's time.
Ballard said:
"This work will continue to go forward regardless of what happens, regardless of what the future may hold. If there are other missionaries that are HURT or other missionaries that are KILLED, IT WILL NOT STOP THIS WORK. Joseph Smith made that abundantly clear that there would be nothing that would stop this work from rolling forward till the Great Jehovah comes forward and says the work is done. And He hasn't said that yet."
Now, I don't know about you guys, but I find these words, by a Mormon Apostle, to be far worse and mocking than somebody pointing out that garments don't protect missionaries or anyone else. Where's the outrage and anger by ex-Mormons regarding this statement, by somebody official, high up in the Mormon church hierarchy? Ballard is the Mormon Hierarchy's guru and go to man on missionaries and directly blood related to Joseph Smith for Mormon God's sake! Shouldn’t his words outrage those that are so upset about garments being discussed? What hypocrites!!
Ballard, at that same time, also said this regarding missionaries:
"When you say, What kind of work do we do to see that the missionaries are kept in safe places and that they proselyte in safe places? We do the very, very best we know how, UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF INSPIRED, CALLED, WONDERFUL MISSION PRESIDENTS AND THEIR WIVES."
This is another outrageous lie! "Safe places" my ass! Is that why they send sisters to South Africa, to walk the streets alone, when it is the rape Capital of the world and has one of the highest crime rates in the world? Over a million women are raped there every damn year! Oh, am I being too offensive in pointing out these truths and facts?
The US Government's website warns against all Americans traveling there, specifically to that area where they were attacked and how many of the companies over there are pulling out all of the their workers, especially Americans, due to the dangers and crime and kidnappings? Missionaries(according to those who have been there) get robbed and car jacked there every single month(it is completely unreported to the media and covered up by the Mormon Hierarchy)....does anyone care in the Mormon Hierarchy? Of course they don't. THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT!
Here are some quick stats on South Africa, according to the UN:
#2 in the world for assault and murder.
Average of 170 South African Police officers killed every year.
In 1996, it was reported that they had 50,481 rapes reported, with it being likely that only 1 in 20 were being reported, which comes out to over 1 million rapes a year, as I stated above.
Danny Brock, the mission President, right after these 2 sisters were brutally beaten, robbed and then gang raped for hours at gunpoint and one was shot, said:
"Now, they're getting the best care money can buy. When this is over, THEY PLAN TO REMAIN IN SOUTH AFRICA AND COMPLETE THEIR MISSIONARY WORK."
What heart, what compassion and what a great man! Of course, the cult always comes first, doesn't it, even after being brutally raped for hours and shot? Holy shit! Now this is something to get pissed about folks and fellow ex-Mormons. Oh yeah, did their garments protect them? Of course not and that's a fact and the truth, as painful as it may be for some of you to deal with and understand.
When interviewed, Molly Jolley of Bountiful, Utah, the daughter of the MP Danny Brock, reiterated what the asshole Ballard said:
"Bad things happen everywhere and it's unfortunate. My heart goes out to those poor sisters and their families BUT THE WORK MUST GO ON."
FUCK THE WORK, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN LIFE HERE MOLLY!
Now, that's something to get pissed about folks, if you are just a normal human being, that puts human life and the well being of others above a damn cult, which Molly obviously doesn't. She is a brainwashed cult member that puts the Goddamn cult above EVERYTHING else, even life itself, as does her daddy Brock, the disgraceful mission president.
Hinckley, regarding missionaries has said:
"No one else in the Church has a farewell when entering a particular service. We never have a special farewell-type meeting for a newly called bishop, for a stake president, for a Relief Society president, for a General Authority, or anyone else of whom I can think. WHY SHOULD WE HAVE MISSIONARY FAREWELLS?"
He then ended with this:
"We know this will be a great disappointment to many families. Mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, and friends have participated in the past. We ask that you accept this decision. Where a farewell has already been arranged, it may go forward. But none in the traditional sense should be planned for the future. We are convinced that when all aspects of the situation are considered, THIS IS A WISE DECISION. Please accept it, my dear brethren. I extend this plea also to the sisters, particularly the mothers.
We hope also that holding elaborate open houses after the sacrament meeting at which the missionary speaks will not prevail. Members of the family may wish to get together. We have no objection to this. However, WE ASK THAT THERE BE NO PUBLIC RECEPTION TO WHICH LARGE NUMBERS ARE INVITED.
Missionary service is such a wonderful experience that it brings with it its own generous reward. And WHEN A MISSIONARY RETURNS TO HIS FAMILY AND HIS WARD, HE MAY AGAIN BE GIVEN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN A SACRAMENT MEETING."
Yeah Hinckley, WHAT IF THEY ARE DEAD AND NEVER DO RETURN ALIVE...DID YOU EVER CONSIDER THAT DUMBASS IN YOUR EQUATION AND SUPPOSED PRAYING TO GOD?!
I guess Hinckley also isn't including his "ELABORATE birthday bashes" that he has every 5 years, on the tithe payers money, when he says, "We hope also that holding elaborate open houses after the sacrament meeting at which the missionary speaks will not prevail" and "WE ASK THAT THERE BE NO PUBLIC RECEPTION TO WHICH LARGE NUMBERS ARE INVITED."DAMN HYPOCRITE! This is the bullshit that should piss off ex-Mormons.
I guess Hinckley also wasn't including his own pathetic ass and his public birthday bashes(in the $500 million Gordydome) with Donny Osmond, Mike Wallace, Gladys Knight, the 5 Browns, etc, when he said, "We never have a special farewell-type meeting for a newly called bishop, for a stake president, for a Relief Society president, for a General Authority, or anyone else of whom I can think. Why should we have missionary farewells?"
Oh, he isn't a General Authority? Again, I point all of this out, because this is what should piss us off and outrage us, not whether we(ex-Mormons) are discussing Mormon magic underwear and whether it protected someone that was just killed or not. I find it more offensive NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
Why is the truth so hard for some people to talk about? We aren't in the Mormon cult anymore guys and we can freely talk about whatever we want to now...get over the mind control and need to feel so sheepish and afraid of offending someone, when you are simply presenting the facts and truth.
We need to take every opportunity we can to point out the lies and fraud of Mormonism, in the hopes of helping someone. I don't give a damn if I offend 13,000,000 Mormons, or all ex-Mormons, or everyone in RFM, in order to help someone else see the light or not die and I wish that more of us ex-Mormons had this attitude, I really do.
Let's be honest, the Mormon Hierarchy's teachings on garments are used as a control tactic, a fear tactic and to make a shit load of money, in the hundreds of millions of dollars. They are the bad guys and the assholes, that perpetuate this bullshit, not us ex-Mormons who talk about it.
Unfortunately, their desire for power, control and filthy lucre, is costing the lives of the innocent people and MISSIONARIES we speak of, that buy their bullshit fairy tale and FPRs, which claim garments will protect you. This is outrageous and tragic and verging on criminal.
Now, any ex-Mormons out there, that want to get pissed off at other ex-Mormons for talking about this openly and freely, whenever they want, and that are not pissed off at the Mormon Hierarchy, need to re-direct their anger and frustration to the correct place, which is the Mormon Hierarchy and get a clue while your at it.
The very fact is that WE(those who are talking about garments, etc) are the ones that actually care tremendously about human life, and that’s why we are trying to point out that the Mormon Hierarchy doesn’t give a shit about human life or who dies or if missionaries get killed, repeating again what M. Russell Ballard said plainly, right after 5 missionaries had been tragically killed, “If there are other missionaries that are HURT or other missionaries that are KILLED, IT WILL NOT STOP THIS WORK.”
He’s the guy you want to go after, he's the cold, callous asshole, not other ex-Mormons that are trying to expose him and his damn cult.
It's guys like Ballard and Hinckley and all the other cronies in the Mormon Hierarchy(going back to horny Joe himself), that knowingly perpetuate their fraud to the world and the teachings like "garments will protect you from harm" and the reason that these missionaries, along with their families are brainwashed, believe they are called of Jesus Christ, have leaders directly led by Jesus Christ and are then subsequently killed on their mission representing the Mormon cult.
If the lies and fraud didn't exist and they weren't brainwashed, they wouldn't have been killed on their missions, plain and simple.
So, how does pointing these facts and truths out, make us not concerned about human life? Has anyone really stopped to think that we do what we do, because we care SO MUCH about human life and we are trying to prevent future tragedies? It’s because “they are and were someone's children, friends, grandchildren, and loved ones” that we do what we do, or at least why I do what I do. I also added another comment to another post, regarding this issue and specifically, the 2 sisters that were brutally raped in South Africa:
Yeah, according to Molly Jolley, the lovely daughter of Danny Brock, the Mission President in South Africa, gang rapes out on a public street, could happen anywhere, even Bountiful, Utah, where Molly lives.
I'd like someone to please tell me the last time 2 women were robbed, beaten and then gang raped at gunpoint for hours, with one being shot, in broad daylight, right on a main street in Bountiful, like 5th south or 5th west? Yeah, Bountiful is just like South Africa, dumbass!
Molly ended her interview saying:
"Bad things happen everywhere and it's unfortunate. My heart goes out to those poor sisters and their families but THE WORK MUST GO ON."
NICE MOLLY! What love, compassion and understanding....but yeah, the cult must go on.
Her Daddy Danny Brock, right after the brutal attack on the 2 sisters, said:
"They were walking alongside a busy road (the old Harding highway), which they knew well. Moreover, it was one of the busiest times of the day with cars whizzing past. Safer than that, you would not get."
Yeah, apparently not safe enough asshole! Oh by the way, an estimated 1,000,000 plus women a year are raped in South Africa and it is ranked 2nd in the world in murder rate...ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OF THAT DANNY BOY OR DO YOU JUST NOT GIVE A FLYING SHIT?! NOTHING IS TOO GOOD FOR YOUR MORMON GOD AND JESUS, RIGHT MR. BROCK?! IN FACT, IT WOULD BE AN HONOR TO BE RAPED AND MURDERED FOR THE MORMON GOD, WOULDN'T IT?
Spencer W. Kimball would certainly agree, and in fact, these two sisters should be ashamed to even be alive at all, because they should have died, fighting off their rapists harder, as Kimball teaches in MOF. Oh yeah and I certainly hope that they didn't "contribute to the foul dead" as Kimball also hopes.
Danny Brock also said:
"Now, they're getting the best care money can buy. When this is over, THEY PLAN TO REMAIN IN SOUTH AFRICA AND COMPLETE THEIR MISSIONARY WORK."
When this is over? When will that be? Oh yeah, being robbed, beaten and gang raped for hours at gun point, with one of them being shot, was just no big deal man and as soon as they heal PHYSICALLY, they'll return to their mission.
Danny Brock is the asshole of the century! Do these cult leaders ever stop for one second to consider the human element of the situation? EVER?!
I can't even imagine the mental, psychological and emotional trauma that these 2 sisters went through and here their President is, covering the Morg's ass at all costs, making sure everyone knows that the sisters are just fine and can't wait to get back on their mission for the Mormon cult and Jesus.
Will the Mormon cult pay their lifelong medical and counseling bills if they need it? Yeah right!Did they stay on their missions? Anyone know? I'm sure they put tremendous pressure on them to do so, as they always do.
Yeah, here's the Mormon cult faith promoting version of what happened, or how they would report it, or what they would want everyone to think was written in the sister's journal entry for that day, in a nutshell:
"Today we went tracting, were walking down a busy street, and we were robbed, beaten, gang raped for hours at gun and knife point and I was also shot. I was so upset, because we had a 3:00 appointment that we weren't able to make...I hope they understand and that we can reschedule.
Anyway, now we are in the hospital, getting the best care money can buy and I can't wait to get back on that same street again, in the rape Capital of the world, where I know that Jesus Christ and my garments will protect me next time, since I'm a representative of Jesus Christ himself and the 'one and only true church on earth.'
I just hope we can get out of the hospital by Thursday, because we have an appointment for the 3rd discussion with a family that is about to get baptized. I'm so blessed to be here and I know that what we experienced will just make us stronger, was meant to be and that lots of good will come from it."
Sick, demented, disgraceful cult of shit! Talk about a complete MIND FUCK! ============== I think my comments clearly explain how I feel and I'm sure the TBM apologists will have plenty to say, or then again, maybe not. Maybe they'll be too embarrassed? I highly doubt it, as they'll usually defend the Mormon cult at any cost, literally. I mean hey, if they can defend racism, blood atonement and sex with kids and other men's wives, in the name of their God, by their "Praise to the Man/Greater than Jesus Christ Prophet Joseph Smith", why not defend this, right? This is something minor to them, I'm sure, in the big scheme of the cult. I look forward to your comments, Samuel the Utahnite
I was a faithful member of the Mormon Church for over 30 years and I never doubted that it was true, not even for a second. I served an honorable two year mission in Argentina, went to BYU, was married in the temple and about 6 years ago, I began a journey that led me to the truth about Mormonism; that it is a complete lie and total fraud!! I only want to help others to discover what I have found and to know the "REAL TRUTH" and then be able to better deal with the pain of their discovery. I'm now an Ex-Mormon and an Atheist. As I always like to say..THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE, because TRUTH IS FREEDOM!!
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