Monday, November 14, 2005

Mormon Recovery Board(RFM) Rolls Out The Red Carpet For The Rude And Abusive Steve Benson While Condemning Infymus And The Mormon Curtain!!

The events of the last week or so, regarding RFM, are unbelievable and disgraceful!! The events regarding Steve Benson, go back several months. I deeply regret having to make this post, because of all of the wonderful and nice people that post over on RFM, and that have helped me and taught me so much, but holy hell, give me a break, enough is enough and I have had it. This post is by no means, any reflection on the great people over on RFM that do help many others and teach us all so much. I will be forever indebted to those great people who have taught me so much on RFM, both through posting and personal Emails.

I also want to publicly thank RFM and those awesome people for all of the help and knowledge that they have given me but sadly, I can't take the favoritism and hypocrisy that is currently happening over there right now. I'm sure that Susan and Eric are good people, trying to do a good thing and I thank them for their site and the help that it has given me, but they simply aren't playing fair with their posters. Different rules apply to different people, all depending, I'm guessing, on what your last name is and how famous you are in the Ex-Mo community.

All the rules should apply equally to all the posters but sadly, that is not what is happening. I just counted the posts and in the last 10 days, there are 259 posts that mention Steve Benson and 189 are Steve Benson's posts that he wrote. So, in the last 10 days, he has posted an average of 19 times a day. And Susan and Eric wonder were all their bandwidth is going and why it's so high? I don't think it's too hard to figure out with those numbers. Steve Benson has basically taken over RFM and made it his personal amusement park, apparently with the blessings of Eric and Susan, since they have done nothing to stop it. Unfortunately, it is being done at the expense of some good people that are ridiculed and belittled on a regular basis by Steve Benson, as the moderators just sit and watch.

Now, leaving RFM for me isn't just about Steve Benson but that would be one of my main reasons at this point. His nastiness, rudeness and ego, know no bounds. Also, in addition to Steve Benson, due to the treatment of Infymus from the Mormon Curtain by Susan of RFM, who is the primary administrator over there, I have pulled my support and link to RFM. I will no longer be posting on RFM and have no desire to do so now or ever again. I'm permanently done with RFM!! I guess that makes at least 2 of us that are done with RFM as of this week. Reed Smith, a poster on RFM, also announced, as of yesterday, that he is through. Of course, this happened due to the abuse, mistreatment and overall nastiness of Steve Benson toward him.

Who knows how many people they've lost but it apparently doesn't matter as the Steve Benson show continues on. The problem with Reed Smith was that Steve didn't believe that Reed Smith was an assistant under his Uncle when he was mission President, blah, blah, blah.

If anyone wants to read the posts regarding what happened between those two last week, be my guest, Steve Benson has started yet another nauseating post in regards to the whole thing, since he can never let a subject die, especially if it directly involves him directly. Also, he is given complete and total freedom to do so, without one iota of intervention. If one of us "common posters", not what they obviously consider "Mormon Royalty", did what Steve does, we would have our post deleted almost immediately and then be asked to email Susan. That's what happens when your really naughty on RFM, Susan posts on the top to Email here. It's kind of like having to go confess and then get scolded by your Bishop.

Also, Steve's unwarranted, childish rant toward Tal Bachman, took the cake and turned many posters against him. The whole thing was just ridiculous!! Tal is a respected, funny, very knowledgeable poster, who spoke at the Ex-Mormon Convention and performed some of his music as well. Steve wanted to call Tal out for something, wasn't specific, but again, you can go search for those posts and read them for yourself, unless they are already deleted too. They whole episode was a joke and then Steve Benson tried to play it off as "he was just joking", but long after everyone was giving him hell and Tal was asking him repeatedly to explain what it was that Steve was so upset about. Basically, Steve Benson made a complete ass of himself and was trying to get back the ground that he was losing by the minute and with each post.

In any case, It's time for me to move forward to better places/things and to focus 100% on my blog here and the other things that I'm currently working on. I can probably help more people and in better ways with my blog and other things that I have planned, especially because I don't have to be worried about every word or post of mine possible being censored or stricken from the record. The censorship over on RFM has reached ridiculous levels, unless of course, your name is Steve Benson. Then you can do whatever the hell you want and say anything you want to anybody. You can attack people, cut them down, accuse them falsely, whatever you want, because you are the Great, Holy, Almighty Grandson of the Once Great, Mormon Prophet, Ezra Taft Benson. They should add a new rule to their list, "Nobody can criticize or disagree with Steve Benson." It should be number one on their list of rules and regulations.

Also, If the Administration of RFM is so damn ungrateful for people that are referring their site to others, like The Mormon Curtain, or from their website, posting remarks that are referenced back to RFM, to give them due credit, well, screw them. It's not a competition, or so I thought, but apparently it is. I have no clue why they allowed me to post my blog address on there for as long as they did, but I do sincerely thank them for that. Like I said, I went through my deconversion/deprogramming phase, on RFM, with the help of many people and their great archives on many different topics.

Just being able to vent and express my feelings and get support from most people there, was what I needed and I will always be grateful for that. RFM was instrumental in my recovery process, but with that being said, I have replaced the former link to RFM with a link to Dr. Shades UNCENSORED MORMON DISCUSSION BOARD and also, another place that I highly recommend, is POSTMORMON.ORG. I have also added several other links to some great places that you will all find very useful, especially the Tanner's site and real Mormon History.

After doing some searches on myself and Mormon Truth/Samuel the Utahnite, I realized that a moderator named Helemon, from the Post Mormon site, had posted several of my commentaries from here in Mormon Truth to his site. I greatly appreciate that very much and I'm grateful that he valued my words enough to post them there. Therefore, I wanted to post a link to his site, which is an awesome site as well. I'm very grateful for anyone that finds my words useful and helpful and is willing to share them in other places and forums. My ultimate goal is to help as many people as I can with either leaving the Mormon Church or how to cope with the pain associated with leaving the Mormon Church.

I simply want to share the truth with as many people as possible. Unsympathetic people like Steve Benson, with his cutting words, only make that process harder and set a bad example to the rest of the world of what Ex-Mormons are like. Almost all of the people that I had contact with and saw posting on RFM, seemed to be genuine, great people, that also wanted to help others. Most people are compassionate, caring, willing to help, etc, basically, they are everything that Steve Benson isn't. There is no need to act the way he acts!!

Anyway, since I just mentioned him again, back to Steve Benson for a while. I did a post on him a while back and here is a link to it for those that haven't read it. It's amazing how this self-serving guy is doing nothing but cutting down, insulting people and overall, giving us Ex-Mormons a bad name. The other baffling thing is how Susan and RFM protect this arrogant guy and his actions to the ends of the earth. There were several great posts written a few days ago, saying exactly what people thought of Mr. Benson, mostly negative, and they were erased by Susan very quickly and disappeared. One thread had about 25 comments in it and poof, gone!! Just like that!!

The nice part is though, that I saved them of course, expecting them to be erased. When I read them, I was like, hey, that won't last long!! LOL!! So, thanks to my hard drive, I am going to repost some of these comments here, so that everyone can read them and Susan can't erase them this time. Oh my, I'm sure that will be very disturbing to her, won't it? Anyway, here are the highlights of what I have saved, enjoy!!

Negative posts on Steve Benson, with no links and names removed from some to protect the Susan can't say I stole them from RFM, because they don't even exist now since she erased them. I thought some great points were they are:

Subject: To keep steve happy, lets rename RFM. How about Steve Benson's RFM Date: Nov 11 03:48Author: Not a Steve Benson fan anymore, not that he cares of course

Keep in mind that it was steve that attacked Tal. Tal was just doing his thing, writing his posts and then along comes steve benson, who can't handle anybody stealing his thunder. I think he would be happy if he was the only one that ever posted here and everybody just read his short stories or embellished accounts of dramatic events, of which he has perfect recollection of, all these years later. steve, to feed your ego and satisfy your deep desires to share these stories over and over, just write a damn book.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so damn sad. I think steve benson needs professional help. Anyone ever notice how many posts he has going at once. I also find it funny that sometimes he doesn't get many responses right away and the post disappears. I'm not sure if he pulls it or the Admin here pulls it but I'm sure it's steve. He would never want to be embarrassed about having a post in which nobody responded, like the one earlier today about making up with Tal.

Also, God forbid, if anyone every disagrees with this all knowing man. You'd better run for cover because he's coming after you with both guns blazing and insults a flying. What a great guy. Steve wants everyone here to bow down and worship him for his incredible whit and intelligence. No wonder he doesn't believe in a God, in his mind, he is God, so how could there be another one.

I used to enjoy your posts steve but this latest fiasco, attacking Tal for unknown reasons, but of course steve said that Tal knew, but he really didn't, just took the cake. The bottom line is that steve can't handle anyone being popular on RFM besides him. He wants to rule the roost and he basically does. The rules of RFM are not enforced whatsoever when it comes to steve. He can do whatever he wants, cut people down, insult them, personally attack them and so on. He can do whatever he wants and gets a pass I guess because of his Mormon celebrity status.

Steve, why don't you just buy RFM and make it yours, then you can ban everybody you don't like and set new rules, like, nobody can post unless they start out by saying, steve benson is my idol and I worship him as my God. It seems that would be the only way you could maybe, possibly satisfy that grand canyon sized ego that can't be fed enough.

Then again, you could do everyone a big favor and go on another hiatus like you did earlier this year. I think you've worn out your welcome again, so come back in about 6 months and try your game again, maybe with a better, improved attitude. I'm sure there will be plenty of new suckers that you can cut to the core with your sarcasm and insults. Also, you can start reposting all of your stories again from the beginning and amaze all the newbies with your accounts. It would also give you more time to fine tune them and embellish even more than you probably already have.

All I know is that Tal is way more loved than you steve(ouch, don't cry now big boy) because he seems to be a good, genuine guy and everything that you are not and most likely never will be. At least Tal is down to earth, funny and willing to have intelligent conversation and debate with anyone and gives everyone the benefit of the doubt, even you. He doesn't have to resort to the insults and adolescent behavior of a 2 year old, where apparently, you are much more comfortable. Grow up steve and act like an adult or get the hell out of here. I'm sick of your antics as are many others, so just go away please or start treating other posters with respect.

Then again, now that I think about it, stick around and continue to show everyone your true IQ, your daily antics and your behavior that is of a 2 year old child. Go ahead and continue to embarrass yourself and act like a jerk, it will only hurt your future book sales or precious RFM posts. I look forward to a day when you are either not here anymore, treating people with respect or writing posts that nobody responds to.

Have fun steve and I'm sure that admin will pull this post because nobody is allowed to say bad things about the self-crowned king of RFM, the almighty.....drum roll please.....steve benson. Ha Ha Ha.

Isn't it sad that we have to waste the precious RFM bandwidth talking about steve benson and his attacks on others. of course, I'm once again feeding this mans massive ego by writing this post but I felt that it needed to be said since I've had enough of this pompous ass. Attacking Tal was the last straw, uncalled for, unwarranted and completely out of line. In Steve's pathetic God-complex mind, he thought that he had gotten so big, that he could lash out at Tal and nothing would happen except that everyone would run to his side in gleeful support. Well steve, you were wrong. Is it the first time(in your mind of course) that you've ever erred? Just curious....

Now, either shut up, go away or quit picking fights with people and just write your crap. 99% of the people here are decent, respectful people that just want to share their experiences and help others. You, steve, are in the 1% and are indeed only in it for self glory. You don't give a damn about anybody else and obviously have no desire to truly help anyone with their pain, you just attack and insult them. Amazing that you could accuse somebody else of doing what you do everyday. Wow....I hope everyone can now see you for who you really are....after your actions of the last couple days and that you aren't one of us.

What a joke. Bye bye stevie, have a good one. Good luck in your future cut downs and insults of RFM posters. I hope that it gives you the great joy that you seek. By the way, how old are you again?

Subject: Re: To keep Steve happy, lets rename RFM. How about Steve Benson's RFM Date: Nov 11 04:02

I enjoy some of Steve's posts, but I have to agree with you about his attack on Tal, his big ego, his sarcastic put downs of everyone who disagrees with him and his general know-it-all attitude. He could use a bit of humility and would come across as a lot more likable if he could show some. I hope he sticks around and I also hope he can tone it down a bit.

Subject: The Motive of Every Poster Here is to Seek Attention to Themselves ....Date: Nov 12 03:03

...their thoughts, their observations, their experiences. This is why the lame retort of "just ignore my posts" doesn't entirely wash. The poster OBVIOUSLY wants people to read the post, to pay attention to the post, to comment on the post. If you are willing to post you open yourself up to any and all feedback. What else is the motive?

So why does Steve Benson post here incessantly if he doesn't care what other people think and doesn't care if people ignore his posts? What is his agenda for posting if not to seek attention for his thoughts/observations/experiences?

Subject: Not quite... (swearing)Date: Nov 12 03:23

It's not views that are unpopular or wrong that gets people riled up. I have seen PLENTY of disagreeing views and people are more or less civil. What really upsets people is watching someone throw their SHIT all over unsuspecting and undeserving posters. People get pissed off when they come somewhere to find friendship and thought provoking insights and they have to wade through crap flung far and wide by a self absorbed pompous ASS that has the ability to post very interesting ideas but instead wastes HIS time, EVERYONE else's time and BANDWIDTH with idiotic accusations and megalomaniacal BULLSHIT!!!

Subject: Well, to your credit, at least you gave us all a parenthetical heads-up before you . . .Date: Nov 12 03:26Author: steve benson

dumped your dastardly dung on what might have been an otherwise totally unsuspecting public. :)

Subject: Is that the best you can do? (more minor swearing)Date: Nov 12 03:35

Why don't you get all of your nasties out here and now, so maybe you can go to bed feeling like the big prick (oops, meant "big man") and hopefully tomorrow it will be all out of your system and you can get up and treat everyone with a little respect.

Come on, I can take it. I'm a big girl.

Subject: Well...Date: Nov 12 03:45

...have fun with your little hose. And while you are thus engaged, why don't you think about what an unpleasant place you have made this little neck of the Internet woods the past few days and try to come up with a way you can participate in this community without offending, putting down and chasing away good folk with your crummy attitude.


Subject: Re: *That is not what I meant at all -Date: Nov 12 01:58Author: Speaking of rules......

Speaking of rules, Steve Benson violates several of them all the time and you, Susan, do nothing about it. Now you are reminding us of the rules? I think you need to re-read the rules yourself and apply them to Steve Benson for once, that is if he is still around and I hope he is not.

Here are some examples of rules Steve violates on a regular basis without any reprimanding. These quotes are directly from the rule page in case anyone was wondering.

"How do I avoid having my posts removed?"


1. Stay on topic-[Steve on topic? Attacking Tal and Reed Benson? Is that on topic Susan?]

2. Be polite-[Has that ever happened with Steve. He is always rude, cuts people down, and personally insults people. Again, it's a double standard. We can't do it but Steve can do anything.]

3. Use a consistent screen name.-[I know for a fact that Steve uses anon and many other names to stir up trouble.]

5. No personal attacks. Discuss and debate, but do not insult or attack.-[Wow, really? But it's okay for Mr. Benson to attack Tal, Reed Benson and whoever else he wants to attack. He can be belligerent, insulting, and has the freedom to do and say whatever the hell he wants. Why is this Susan? Why can't we all be allowed to freely break the rules and do whatever and say whatever we want without being censored. Oh yeah, we aren't Steve Benson, my bad.]

6. If you have strong feelings about something, don't preach. Your best bet is to share personal experiences.-[Ah okay, like Steve Benson does? Yeah, he never preaches, just shares, right, I forgot about that.]

Here are some examples of posts that will get removed:

1. personal attacks-[except for Steve Benson's posts.]

3. preaching-[Once again, unless you are Steve Benson.]

4. attempts to deliberately stir up trouble-[That is all Steve does, latest example, stirring up trouble with Tal for no reason at all. He blatantly attacked an innocent, popular poster, that everyone enjoys and why? You tell us Susan. Did you ask him? Did you shut him down? I think not. Steve did it because he is arrogant, condescending and can't stand anyone taking away from his presence. He felt threatened by Tal, because people like him and also, Tal is much funnier and more caring than Steve could or will ever be.]

5. faking a conversation by answering your own posts under different names-[Steve has done this on many occasions and you know it Susan. Come clean with everyone, you know it's true.]

6. complaints about censorship (ironic, ain't it)-[Yeah, it is ironic, unless you are Steve Benson, then this rule also doesn't apply.]

8. complaints about the admins (ditto)-[Well, if you can publicly tell us to obey the rules, then we can publicly ask you to also apply the rules, not selectively, but collectively.]

Susan, if you can ask us to obey the rule of using our own name when posting, we can ask you or encourage you to read the rules and apply them to Steve Benson. I find it so ironic that you are after us to use our own names by quoting a rule when you let Steve do whatever the hell he wants. Is he the one that has been paying the $1200 bill every year? I was just curious.

That would explain why he can do whatever he wants and why you always run to his defense. I can't think of any other reason why you and Eric bow down to this man at the expense of us normal folks. It's a shame that we leave the Mormon Church, only to come here and once again be restricted on what we can say and do, unless of course, we are Steve Benson. All I'm saying is if the rules are good enough for us, they are good enough for Steve Benson.

So, as you can see, several people were upset but it didn't matter and many of these posts were quickly deleted. Anything that was too harsh or negative toward Steve was deleted. One poster commented that he/she, had done a complete post on what they thought about the whole Steven Benson/Tal Bachman fiasco, but that is was deleted within 20 minutes. This particular poster is a regular poster with great things to say and I'm sure that post was highly critical of Steve Benson, thus prompting the quick deleting. I think you all get my point by now.

As said above, they should just rename the place Steve Benson's RFM, that might make him happy but you never can tell. Anyway, I don't want to waste anymore time talking about this clown because I have too many other things that I need to discuss, but I just thought it was necessary to let everyone know why I wasn't going to be on RFM anymore.

I've had several people Email me, wondering where I've been, if I was okay, etc, and I appreciate that very much. Thanks for your concern. I've just been extremely busy while observing things going on in RFM, plus working on my other projects. In short, I've just had a lot going on and took a little break from posting. I used to be a regular poster on RFM and most people seemed to like what I posted and it seemed to receive an overall positive response and then I was just gone and they wondered where I was. Honestly, it is just time for me to move on and try to help as many people as I can.

As mentioned above, several times, I'm very grateful for my time in RFM and for all that I have learned from the awesome people in there, but under the current conditions that I mentioned above, I can no longer be a part or participate there. Honestly, I just hate injustice and it's so frustrating to me but when there is nothing that I, as an individual can do about it, you are better off just walking away. Why stay there, get angry, bang my head on the wall, and not be able to honestly respond to Steve, as he does to everyone, without having my post deleted or getting banned for life.

Anything that I would say in RFM regarding Steve Benson, would just get erased anyway, so why waste my time and words on a losing cause. The owners and moderators love the guy, as do many people in RFM, so they can have him, love him, worship him, etc, but sadly, at the expense of some people like myself and others, that were there just to help people and gain knowledge as we work through our recovery.

The other thing is, that there are 3 great sites that I highly recommend to everyone and I have links to them here on Mormon Truth. They are The Mormon Curtain, The Church is not true and Joseph lied. They are all great!! Hyrum and Mike Norton do their podcast that is listed on The Church is not true, while Mike Norton also has his personal site, Joseph Lied and the Mormon Curtain links to both sites, including mine, while at the same time, also archiving many of my posts and promoting Hyrum and Mike's podcast, etc. I highly recommend going to the Mormon Curtain if you want to read more about his experiences with Susan this past week regarding RFM and pulling off posts from RFM to post on The Mormon Curtain.

Susan thinks he does it to boost his readership while at the same time, ignoring basically every word that he writes to her. It's crazy!! You guys can all read the Email correspondence between Infymus and Susan and make up your own minds. I think he lays out what his true intentions are and does it very clearly. It's a shame that Susan already has her mind made up to what his true intentions are and completely ignores all of his responses regarding the matter. The Mormon Curtain provides a great service to all Ex-Mo's or Non-Mormons and even TBM's and it's ashame that Susan couldn't find a way to work with Infymus instead of creating such a big problem.

We should be trying to be on the same team but I guess that there are divisions even within the Ex-Mo world. It's sad but the true reality. At least the rest of us seem to be working together for a common cause without any of these problems or accusations. I love it and I'm honored when someone pulls from my blog to post on other blogs or in other places. The only thing I ask, is that I'm given credit for the remarks and everyone has done that, without my even asking.

Infymus did the same thing, always giving credit to RFM and referring back to RFM and the original post and poster, so that people would be able to find it on his site and then join the conversation and even make comments if so inclined. Susan and Eric have a problem with that?!! My hell, he was promoting their site and they didn't even realize it or appreciate it. The only thing I can think of, is that these type of thought patterns, fear and paranoia, must come from their former "TBM" days. It just makes no common sense.

I also love how Susan kept referring to their Lawyer or legal people but refuses to give Infymus their name or names, so that His Lawyer could talk with their Lawyer(s). After his many attempts of asking for this information, I think we can safely say "BUSTED!!" Then it went from being a serious matter to her Lawyer(s) finding it very funny and laughing about it?!! Basically, Susan made a fool of herself and it's unfortunate. All she had to do was be honest from the very beginning, engage Infymus in "real conversation" dealing with their "real concerns" and it would have been so much easier.

So, hey, anyone out there that wants to quote me, post my comments, do it as often as you like, just give me credit. It would be an honor, not an insult. In fact, I've quoted Polygamy Porter for instance, on several occasions, and he would respond in RFM by saying, "cool, you quoted me on your blog", etc. That would be a normal reaction, wouldn't it?

I'm sure that I'll be banned for life too, after Susan and Eric, read this post or someone comments about it on RFM. Do I care? No I don't, not at all. I've repeatedly thanked the awesome people over there, including Susan and Eric for providing RFM for me and others during our recovery process. Sadly, I had to come to my own blog to be able to openly discuss these issues and my feelings because it simply isn't allowed over there, unless you are Steve Benson, being critical of someone else. Damn, I feel like I'm back in the Mormon Church again and I can't speak my mind.
I hate it when people try to take away your freedom and that free, feeling of freedom that I had after leaving Mormonism, was beginning to disappear in RFM. That was my sign to exit stage left and so here I am. I wasn't repressed for over 30 years, only to be repressed again as an Ex-Mormon in RFM. I guess it's safe to say that I quickly outgrew my surroundings and need for expression in RFM. It sucks to write what one considers to be a great post, only to have it disappear 10 minutes. Meanwhile, people like Steve Benson, can write whatever they want and it stays. Like I said, it was time for me to move on!!

My point is that RFM, is opposed and against those 3 sites that I mentioned above and will not allow any posts on RFM, to link to those sites. Why is this? How do I know this? Well, let me share my personal Email correspondence that I had with Susan a while back when I didn't know that Mike and Hyrum and any link to their site or show, were against the rules. Also, I found it very funny that Susan said that the site, The Church is not true, was begun by Polygamy Porter and Mike Norton, when it was actually Hyrum and Mike Norton. She didn't even have here facts straight, but Polygamy Porter has also had several problems with Susan and thought he was banned at one point. Actually, the truth was that Polygamy Porter had been a guest on the show and a great one at that. Everyone should go listen to that podcast if they haven't already. I think he also did a second show over the phone.

Anyway, Here is the original Email, with Susan's response above and my Email to here below:

Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:09:14 -0400
From: View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: I just had a question?

Okie Dokie, the problem you hit is that Eric does not want the site that Norton and Porter started advertised on RfM. Period. I have cut that part out and put the post up for you :)
Sus I/S

-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel the Utahnite
Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:29:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: I just had a question?


I just started a post on whether "The Mormon Church is "really" against gambling?" Anyway, Polygamy Porter responded and I went to respond to him and the comments popped up saying something about the board being a moderated board and that my post would have to be checked first before it would be allowed to be posted?

So, it was either a mistake or I must be in some kind of trouble on your site that didn't exist 30 minutes before when I posted my post. I don't believe that there was anything out of bounds or legally wrong in my gambling post, it was pretty straightforward and is still on there. So anyway, get back to me as soon as you can and let me know what's going on. It just caught me by surprise. I can't imagine what I could have said that was offensive enough to have to now be monitored or banned with what I see on there on a daily basis regarding all sorts of topics. Get back to me as soon as possible and if I've done something wrong, please let me know what it was, so that I can correct it. It certainly wasn't my intention and I'm not even aware of what it is.

I've been posting my blog address on there, maybe that's it, but I've seen so many doing it, I didn't think that would be a problem. On my blog site, I always reference you guys and even have a link to you in my links. Anyway, get back to me and let me know what's going on and if it is possible to recover that last post I wrote to Polygamy Porter. Thanks,
Samuel the Utahnite

Now, here was another Email exchange about 2 weeks after I found RFM, back in July. I had written what I thought was a funny post about the Mormon temple but it was denied 3 times. I kept re-writing it, as it would just disappear with no explanation or Email, telling me why it was deleted. Anyway, I'll try to find the post, I have it archived and post it after this Email. It's amazing, with all of the stuff that is discussed, that my Email was so offensive, I guess it was the "illegal stuff." Once again, I'm going to keep the email in it's original form, my question is below and her answer is above:

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:29:50 -0400
From: View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
Subject: Re: Sorry about the "Temple Movie" posts!!

Okie Dokie, the first was taken down because of the illegal stuff. Sneaking into a temple is illegal even if you don't film. There has recently been a big problem with someone that filmed inside a temple and wouldn't stop posting about it (and discussing showing it around on the net and irl) and they were asked to leave. This may have happened just as you found the board so you may not be aware of it.
We are really REALLY careful, we are owned by Eric and he carries the full liability. Our legal guys say no, we listen. It will be ten years this November the site has been up and we have not been sued or had legal trouble yet. Lots of people would like to see us closed down.
Now your second post is ok minus this: I'd just like to know when and where and sneak on the set.
Again it is sneaking and it would start up about sneaking into the temples again. So, I took that line out, put the rest back and topped it. And we never answer questions on the board. Pop it off in mail :).
Susan I/S

-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel the Utahnite
Sent: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sorry about the "Temple Movie" posts!!


Well, I just needed you to help me out. I made 3 posts about the "Temple Movies" and all 3 got deleted so I'm guessing that for some reason, this or anything that goes on in the temple must be off limits for some reason. My main reason for the posts was to find out if anyone ever knew anyone that had been in a "Temple Movie." The first post, I was joking around and asked if anyone had ever recorded it , asked some funny questions, etc. So, I deleted anything that I thought might have been offensive for some reason and re-posted it. Then the second one was also deleted!! So then I made a third one asking if the "Temple Movies" were off limit and that too was deleted!!

So, whatever the case may be, I'm sorry for bringing up a topic that is off limits or taboo. I truly wasn't aware of it. I see topics about sex, masturbation, personal experiences with Bishops, Stake Presidents and all matter of subjects and I just never thought that the subject of temples was off limits. I have so many questions now that I'm out of the Morg and one of the things that I have questions about is the Temple. Of course and I was trying to go about it in a light hearted manner which I guess wasn't deemed appropriate and that's fine as now I know.

I'm fairly new to this board, like 2 weeks or so and have had great response to many of the thinks that I have brought up and I just thought that this would be a good topic that I hadn't seen anyone discuss and I was curios. I guess that I was wrong. So once again, I apologize for anything that was branded offensive and would love an explanation for why it was offensive.

Here is the original post that I put up that was erased. As you can tell, I was just trying to be funny, not malicious, not realizing that someone had actually already recorded the movie and was bragging about it a couple of weeks before I arrived. I guess I was pushing the envelope on that one, but hey, like I said, does it say anywhere that you can't record the movie? honestly!! I never saw it. Keep in mind that I was pretty fresh out of the Church and wondering things that I had never wondered before...LOL. Anyway, here's the original post that got me busted for the first time in RFM. Amazing that these were the only two times they busted me....LOL!!

Post #45 Subject: Anybody have info on those temple films?Date: Jul 11 14:10Author: Samuel the UtahniteMail Address:

I was just curious, anybody know someone that was in one of the temple films, where they were filmed, etc. I wonder what they did with the old films, they must be locked up in the vault in the mountain eh? It sure would be cool to be able to get a copy. I wish that someone would go to a session and record the movie secretly. Any offers?

I'm sure that they aren't checking for infrared like some of normal theaters are. I'm really amazed that someone hasn't done that already. Maybe they have and I'm just not aware of it. I haven't ever seen a copyright on the movie or that FBI warning about recording it, so it must be okay, right? Can you imagine how pissed they'd be?!! It would be all over the Internet in seconds, for the whole world to watch.

It would be cool to see all of the Satan's from the past and present sit down and have a round table, heck, throw in the preachers too. They should have a "temple movie reunion" party and get all the casts together!! Was there fighting on the sets? How did the people that got cut feel? Were the preachers pissed when they got cut out of the new version? Were the guys that played Satan like Jack-Mormons? Where they all members? Where Adam and Eve really naked on the Church set behind those bushes? I remember that Eve was pretty hot, especially in the older movies, did Adam ever get excited? Did they ever screw around? I wonder who actually wrote and directed the movies? Did they sell their tokens for money? I wonder what they got paid or was it a "calling" or "mission" to make the movie? Oh yeah, how did Peter, James and John have bodies again when they weren't even born yet?

That has to be the most screwed up movie I've ever seen, it never made sense!! Every time I went, I left more confused than when I got there. Was it meant to be literal or figurative? The funny thing is, the GA's don't even have the answer to that one....ha ha!! Someone asked President Kimball if he understood the movie and he said something like, "I'm more confused every time I see it!!" LOL!!

I'm sure it won't be long now and they'll make another one. I'd just like to know when and where and sneak on the set. Maybe, they film them on Kolob and the actors aren't even from Earth. Maybe God just beams it down when it's time for a new one. The Prophet shows up to work and there's a new movie, special delivery from Kolob, sitting on his desk. Just a few thoughts for fun....LOL!!

Hopefully RFM will continue to help people in their recovery process, it just isn't for me anymore. Hopefully one day, either Steve Benson will be held accountable to the rules like everyone else, or he will just go away. What's sad, is that he does have some great stories and insights to share, but with his rude and nasty attitude, he just ruins whatever he is trying to accomplish unless insulting people is his main goal

Anyway, that's about it, now on to more important issues. I didn't intend this post to be so long and I'm sure that some people, especially Steve Benson disciples, will be highly offended and won't return to my blog, but hey, that's fine with me. I had to speak my mind and clear the air and explain my absence from the RFM board.

Maybe in his personal life, Steve Benson is a great guy, a loving Husband and Father and just created this personality or persona, especially for RFM. At least I sincerely hope that to be the case. The parts of this post regarding Steve Benson, are only about his actions and attitude in RFM, not in his personal life. I do not personally know him and I'm only familiar with his actions and attitudes that are well documented in RFM. When you write 189 posts in 10 days, it's hard for people to not have a pretty good idea of who you are, at least in RFM.

Thanks guys for reading my blog and for all the emails and I promise that I'll now be posting again on a regular basis. I've been going 100 MPH and I needed to recharge my batteries while at the same time, planning for the future and the things that I want to accomplish in order to help as many people as possible. I sincerely apologize to those people reading this, that are Steve Benson and RFM fans, my intent was not to offend you, rather to share my feelings and observations regarding these matters. Maybe we can agree to disagree and move forward. Whenever I see blatant injustice, I have to speak my mind. I just had to get these things and matters off of my chest in a place where I couldn't and wouldn't be edited or deleted.

Take Care Everyone,

Samuel the Utahnite

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At Saturday, March 03, 2007 2:48:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sam- I couldn't agree with you more about Steve Benson. Last night was the final straw for me on RFM when Benson was attacking Randy J as a racist bigot just because Randy doesn't believe the term "cottin pickn" is racist. When I debunked Mr. Benson's lunacy and lack of fundamental logic, my threads were erased. So I wrote another thread about how RFM censorship protects Steve Bensons rantings and insults, that one was erased as well. I really liked the RFM site-unfortunately I won't be posting there anymore.

At Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:25:00 PM, Blogger Mr_IT said...

I'm new to all this but what I do know is that I put up a post at RFM and made the newbie mistake of mentioning that I was an Evangelical Christian.

Within minutes I got "piled on" with some of the rudest, most disrespectul, flaming personal attacks that I've ever experienced in my many years on Internet boards.

Sorry, but I don't know Steve Benson from a hole in a wall and, like I said, I was new to RFM but I immediately knew that something was terribly, terribly wrong with this Forum.


Then when I put up my exit post, the main flamer (some unregistered idiot going by "cartman") put up a post stating that I would be back because no one can resist the pull of RFM!

Well, if that's the case, I'll be the first to do so. You know what they say . . .

Fool me once, shame on you!
Fool me twice, shame on me!

Thanks for listening.

At Monday, March 01, 2010 5:34:00 AM, Blogger Rynn said...

Mr. IT

I agree. I used to enjoy looking at RfM but recently I decided to quit. There are some good people on that board, but there are also some people who seem to have traded in their self-righteous tbm attitudes for self-righteous atheist attitudes.
It's just too obnoxious.

At Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:35:00 PM, Blogger Mr_IT said...

Rynn - well said.

I occassionally go there (about once or twice a year at most) but I am now very careful to NOT mention that I am a Theist.

Using the "T-word" or "G-word" on that site is like putting a sign on your back that says, "Kick me! Flame me! Vent your self loathing anger and blame me!"

At Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:47:00 AM, Blogger xmorobertson said...

Having been just banned from RFM I understand what you mean completely. I challenged Benson on several post that made demonstrated his stupidity. He thinks Thanksgiving is a violation of church and state and that the dropping of the A-bomb was a religious act. The idiot is going off the deep end. Eric claimed I was banned for "promoting Ed Decker." Which was stupid because I pointed out several lies from Benson on that topic. No doubt he thinks he is better then everybody else because Mormons were telling him so growing up. Being the grandson of a Mormon prophet, many members bent over backwards to kiss his ass and he has grown to love it. His biggest kiss asses are SLC Flabby, a fat useless cab driver who lost his teaching license to drinking, and Nightingquail who claims to be Christian but falls on her knees to suck Benson's dick in his defense at the first sign someone may be disagreeing with him. Eric can keep his BB and stick it up his ass for all I care and stick the other end up Benson's. There is plenty of room, he is all ass


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