Wednesday, June 20, 2007

Mormon Church, Foundation At Odds Over Mountain Meadows Monument...What A Disgrace!!

I just want to say thanks to Demon of Kolob for posting this article in my comments section and on his blog. I hadn't seen the article until he posted it. I think this article is 100% clear in showing the world how little respect the Mormon Hierarchy, is treating the families of the victims of Mountain Meadows Massacre with.

Here is the entire article from the Salt Lake Tribune, for those that haven't read it yet:

Mormon church, foundation at odds over Mountain Meadows monument
The Associated Press

Descendants of a 120-member Arkansas immigrant party say their plea for federal stewardship of the Mountain Meadows mass grave site has been rejected by LDS Church.

Phil Bolinger and Scott Fancher of the Arkansas-based Mountain Meadows Monument Foundation say they got the news June 6 in a telephone call from Elder Marlin Jensen, who oversees the church history department.

"He told us that President (Gordon B.) Hinckley had turned us down. He doesn't think it's in the best interests of the church to allow federal stewardship in the meadows," said Bolinger, the foundation president who is related to 30 of those killed. "That really bit me bad."

Jensen declined an interview, but confirmed through spokeswoman Kim Farah that the church will not pursue federal stewardship of the site. A similar request was also rejected in 1999.

Descendants want the site in the hands of a neutral third party because they believe the institutional church is complicit in the murders.

"It's not right for the people who had complicity to the killings to be the grave owner," said Bolinger, who discussed the issue with Jensen on April 25 in Salt Lake City.

"I asked him, 'How you do you think the Kennedy family would feel if the Lee Harvey Oswald family had control of the Kennedy tomb?'"

History hangs the Sept. 11, 1857, event on southern Utah Mormon leaders and a small band of Paiute Indians, leaving the culpability of then-church president Brigham Young up for debate. An upcoming book from church historians takes the same position.

Headed to California, the wagon train led by Capt. Alexander Fancher and John Baker arrived in the Utah territory at the same time the federal government was mounting pressure on the Mormon church for its practice of polygamy and disregard for federal oversight.

They camped first near Salt Lake City and then headed south to the meadow, a well-known stopover on the old Spanish Trail. The immigrants were attacked and spent a week engaged in gun skirmishes before local Mormon Elder John D. Lee rode in on horseback with a white flag to negotiate their rescue.

Persuaded to walk single-file and unarmed from the valley, the immigrants were shot at close range, stabbed or beaten to death. Their bodies were not buried.

Seventeen children were spared, all of them under age six-young enough, some said, not to remember or speak of what they saw. The youngsters were adopted by local families and later returned to their relatives in Arkansas.

Lee was tried, convicted and executed for the massacre 20 years later and is the only person ever held responsible.

Today, the Mountain Meadows monument site is a 2,500-acre parcel in a rolling scrub-pine and sagebrush valley about 35 miles northwest of St. George.

The land is a patchwork of public and private holdings, some of which was passed down through families from pioneer ancestors.

There are four known mass grave sites and two memorials-the rock pyramid known as the Carelton Cairn on the valley floor and a memorial wall on Dan Sill Hill, which overlooks the valley and is inscribed with the known names of victims from the 29 different families on the wagon train.

The monument is already on the National Park Service's Register of Historic Places, but the designation doesn't guarantee public access or public input before construction or other site changes, foundation attorney Scott Fancher said.

Foundation members believe a higher designation, such as national monument status, would better protect the interests of all and salve the wounds of many Fancher party descendants, said Bolinger, of Hindsville, Ark.

"Federal stewardship of this grave site ... that's all it would take to put this to bed," he said.

Federal oversight might also have prevented the Aug. 3, 1999, maintenance work on the cairn when a church crew accidentally unearthed the remains of at least 28 men, women and children. A forensic evaluation was begun, but cut short on an order from Utah's then-Gov. Mike Leavitt, a descendant of some who participated in the massacre.

At a dedication ceremony of the rebuilt cairn that September, Hinckley said the church carries a moral responsibility to remember the victims, but fell short of acknowledging church complicity to the crime.

Mormon church leaders are committed to appropriately preserving the Mountain Meadows site, Farah said.

"The church has owned the monument site at Mountain Meadows for many years. The property is open to the public and considerable time and resources are allocated to ensure that the property is well-maintained, open to the public and that those who perished there are appropriately remembered," she said.

Farah also confirmed what Washington County recorder's office records show - over the past few months, the church has increased its holdings in the meadow. Since March at least two families have deeded their property over to the church.

"The church intends to administer and maintain this property in like manner, thereby preserving it from either residential or commercial development," said Farah. (Until Jesus Christ supposedly gives them a revelation to build a mall or a temple that is.)

Bolinger said the foundation, one of three descendant groups, shared concerns that residential development in fast-growing Washington County would damage the site. But he's rankled by the church's acquisition of more land and says he'll continue to push for federal stewardship.

"It's the highest honor we could pay these people
," Bolinger said


It truly is sickening and hard for me to even fathom!! It is despicable and revolting how little regard Hinckley and co. have for these families and their pain and loss. Their is no love, no compassion and no concern whatsoever. But then again, I guess that's how criminals act, right?

So, I guess Marlin K. Jensen really is the new asshole in charge and official Mormon Spokesman eh? Whether it's "The Mormon" documentary or homosexuals on Nightline or now Mountain Meadows Massacre...he's your man and go-to guy and a complete jackass loser I might add.

They are purposely causing these people more pain and putting them through a living hell, just like they do to anyone that ever accuses a Bishop, Stake President or any leader or member of sexual abuse.

They sic Jesus' Lawyers on them, call them liars and re-victimize them all over again, as they try to discredit the person by attacking every aspect of their life, accusing them of false things they never even did and blaming them for what happened.(Just like they did to Galatians brother, when he was fighting for custody of HIS child, which was literally kidnapped from him).

When found guilty, as they often are, because they are indeed guilty, the Mormon church(Jesus Christ) then appeals with everything they've got, re-victimizing them yet again, with no Christlike!!

In most cases, they know damn well that the Bishop, leader or member did what he's accused of, but go forward, at all costs, defending him and the church, to protect it's "precious reputation." As the Bishop's handbook of instructions says over and over; that's their number one priority, to protect the reputation of the Mormon cult, even ranking apostates as more of a threat or danger than predators. WTF?!!

Their Jesus Christ must be so proud of them, as this is revelation directly from him to do this and they are just being obedient, right? Kind of like banning blacks from the Priesthood and cursing them as the "seed of Cain"...right? According to "OFFICIAL" Mormon doctrine, Hinckley is THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH, that can speak for and on behalf of yes, he's off the hook and just obeying his wonderful, loving Mormon God of make believe.

Here are some quotes by current Apostles, regarding how important it is to protect the church's reputation at any cost:

"My duty as a member of the Council of the Twelve is to protect what is most unique about the LDS church......Everything may be sacrificed in order to maintain the integrity of those essential facts. Thus, if Mormon Enigma reveals information that is detrimental to the reputation of Joseph Smith, then it is necessary to try to limit its influence and that of its authors."-(Apostle Dallin Oaks, footnote 28, Inside the Mind of Joseph Smith: Psychobiography and the Book of Mormon, Introduction p. xliii)

“You seminary teachers and some of you institute and BYU men will be teaching the history of the Church this school year. This is an unparalleled opportunity in the lives of your students to increase their faith and testimony of the divinity of this work. Your objective should be that they will see the hand of the Lord in every hour and every moment of the Church from its beginning till now.”

“Church history can be so interesting and so inspiring as to be a very powerful tool indeed for building faith. If not properly written or properly taught, it may be a faith destroyer.”

“There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or not.”

“Some things that are true are not very useful.”

“That historian or scholar who delights in pointing out the weaknesses and frailties of present or past leaders destroys faith. A destroyer of faith — particularly one within the Church, and more particularly one who is employed specifically to build faith — places himself in great spiritual jeopardy. He is serving the wrong master, and unless he repents, he will not be among the faithful in the eternities. ... Do not spread disease germs!"- (Boyd K. Packer, "The Mantle is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect", 1981, BYU Studies, Vol. 21, No. 3, pp. 259-271)

"Indeed, in some instances, the merciful companion to truth is silence. Some truths are best left unsaid."

"Any who are tempted to rake through the annals of history, to use truth unrighteously, or to dig up “facts” with the intent to defame or destroy, should hearken to this warning of scripture:

“The righteousness of God [is] revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.” (Rom. 1:17-18.)

"I repeat: 'The wrath of God is … against all … who hold the truth in unrighteousness.'"

"To anyone who, because of truth, may be tempted to become a dissenter against the Lord and his anointed, weigh carefully your action in light of this sacred scripture:"

“These dissenters, having the same instruction and the same information … yea, having been instructed in the same knowledge of the Lord, nevertheless, it is strange to relate, not long after their dissensions they became more hardened and impenitent, and … wicked, … entirely forgetting the Lord their God.” (Alma 47:36.)

"We must realize that we are at war. The war began before the world was and will continue. The forces of the adversary are extant upon the earth. All of our virtuous motives, if transmitted only by inertia and timidity, are no match for the resolute wickedness of those who oppose us."- (Russell M. Nelson, “Truth—and More,” Ensign, Jan. 1986, page 69)

Now, I posted Dallin H. Oaks' arrogant and outlandish comments from "The Mormons" PBS documentary the other day(I can't get his arrogant, pompous ass, condescending smirk out of my mind); about not being able to EVER criticize Mormon Leaders, even if the criticism is true, and I wasn't aware that he had a history of making such comments and was only reconfirming what he'd said countless times in the past.

Here are some of those other times:

"It is one thing to depreciate a person who exercises corporate power or even government power. It is quite another thing to criticize or depreciate a person for the performance of an office to which he or she has been called of God. It does not matter that the criticism is true."

"As Elder George F. Richards, President of the Council of the Twelve, said in a conference address in April 1947, 'when we say anything bad about the leaders of the Church, whether true or false, we tend to impair their influence and their usefulness and are thus working against the Lord and his cause.' ... The Holy Ghost will not guide or confirm criticism of the Lord's anointed, or of Church leaders, local or general. This reality should be part of the spiritual evaluation that LDS readers and viewers apply to those things written about our history and those who made it." -( Dallin H. Oaks, "Reading Church History," CES Doctrine and Covenants Symposium, Brigham Young University, 16 Aug. 1985, page 25. also see Dallin H. Oaks, "Elder Decries Criticism of LDS Leaders," quoted in The Salt Lake Tribune, Sunday August 18, 1985, p. 2B)

"Truth surely exists as an absolute, but our use of truth should be disciplined by other values. ... When truth is constrained by other virtues, the outcome is not falsehood but silence for a season. As the scriptures say, there is “a time to keep silence, and a time to speak.”

"Does the commandment to avoid faultfinding and evil speaking apply to Church members’ destructive personal criticism of Church leaders? Of course it does. It applies to criticism of all Church leaders—local or general, male or female. In our relations with all of our Church leaders, we should follow the Apostle Paul’s direction: “Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father.” (1 Tim. 5:1.)

"Government or corporate officials, who are elected directly or indirectly or appointed by majority vote, must expect that their performance will be subject to critical and public evaluations by their constituents. That is part of the process of informing those who have the right and power of selection or removal. The same is true of popularly elected officers in professional, community, and other private organizations."

"A different principle applies in our Church, where the selection of leaders is based on revelation, subject to the sustaining vote of the membership. In our system of Church government, evil speaking and criticism of leaders by members is always negative. Whether the criticism is true or not, as Elder George F. Richards explained, it tends to impair the leaders’ influence and usefulness, thus working against the Lord and his cause."

"Public debate—the means of resolving differences in a democratic government—is not appropriate in our Church government. We are all subject to the authority of the called and sustained servants of the Lord. They and we are all governed by the direction of the Spirit of the Lord, and that Spirit only functions in an atmosphere of unity. That is why personal differences about Church doctrine or procedure need to be worked out privately." - Apostle Dallin H. Oaks, “Criticism,” Ensign, Feb. 1987, page 68

Notice that the quote from George F. Richards, which Oaks is so proud of, includes LOCAL or general leaders. I've taken some heat lately, for saying that Oaks is saying that we can't criticize the "LOCAL LEADERS" that he admits committed the Mountain Meadows Massacre. TBMS or pathetic Mormon apologists, are saying that he only meant the highest level of leadership like Apostles or the Prophet.

Now we have complete clarity on the issue, from Oaks' very own words, so you Mormon apologists can go screw yourselves with your bullshit excuses and false interpretations of exactly what he was saying. He said exactly what he meant and meant exactly what he said; that you can't criticize ANY MORMON LEADER, AT ANY LEVEL, even those that he has no doubt massacred all those men, women and children at Mountain Meadows.

Like he says above: "Public debate—the means of resolving differences in a democratic government—is not appropriate in our Church government."

To Oaks and all the other GAs; it is wrong to criticize any level of Mormon leadership, be it a Bishop, Stake President or the Prophet himself, because they were called by divine revelation, directly from the Mormon God, CASE CLOSED!!

This blind loyalty and following, even to the literally giving of your life for the Mormon cult, is also confirmed in the Mormon temple ordinances:

"And as Jesus Christ has laid down his life for the redemption of mankind, so we should covenant to sacrifice all that we possess, even our own lives if necessary, in sustaining and defending the Kingdom of God."

"All arise. Each of you bring your right arm to the square. You and each of you solemnly covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this alter that you will observe and keep the Law of Sacrifice, as contained in the Old and New Testament, as it has been explained to you.

Each of you bow your head and say 'yes.'"

Before 1990, in the spirit of Brigham Young's "blood atonement", all members that went through the temple, including myself and a lot of my family members and many of my friends, had to take death oaths, literally acting out and pantomiming their own deaths, together as a group in unison. Isn't that cult like? Nah...not at all!!

Here are those death oaths:

Death Oath #1:

ELOHIM: "All arise." (All patrons stand.)

ELOHIM: "Each of you make the sign of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, by bringing your right arm to the square, the palm of the hand to the front, the fingers together, and the thumb extended. This is the sign. Now, repeat in your mind after me the words of the covenant, at the same time representing the execution of the penalty."(The Execution of the Penalty is represented by placing the thumb under the left ear, the palm of the hand down, and by drawing the thumb quickly across the throat to the right ear, and dropping the hand to the side.)

"I ________, think of the new name, covenant before God, angels and these witnesses that I will never reveal the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its accompanying name and sign, and penalty. Rather than do so, I would suffer my life to be taken."
(Patrons perform the action as the Officiator guides them.)
"That will do." (Patrons sit down.)

Death Oath #2:

PETER: "The sign is made by bringing the right hand in front of you, with the hand in cupping shape, the right arm forming a square, and the left arm being raised to the square. This is the sign. (The officiator demonstrates.) The Execution of the Penalty is represented by placing the right hand on the left breast, drawing the hand quickly across the body, and dropping the hands to the sides. I will now explain the covenant and obligation of secrecy which are associated with this token, its name, and sign, and penalty, and which you will be required to take upon yourselves."

PETER: "All arise. (All Patrons stand.) Each of you make the sign of the Second Token of the Aaronic priesthood by bringing the right hand in front of you, with the hand in cupping shape, the right arm forming a square, and the left arm being raised to the square. This is the sign."

"Now, repeat in your mind after me the words of the covenant, at the same time representing the Executing of the Penalty."

"I, _________, think of the first given name, solemnly covenant, before God, angels, and these witnesses that I will never reveal the second Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its accompanying name, and sign, and penalty. Rather than do so, I would suffer my life to be taken."
(Patrons perform the action as the Officiator guides them.)
"That will do." (All patrons sit down.)

Death Oath #3:

PETER: "All arise. (All patrons stand.) Each of you make the sign of the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood or Sign of the Nail by bringing the left hand in front of you with the hand in cupping shape, the left arm forming a square; also by bringing the right hand forward, the palm down, the fingers close together, the thumb extended, and by placing the thumb over the left hip. This is the sign."

"Now repeat in your mind after me the words of the covenant, at the same time representing the Execution of the Penalty(The Execution of the penalty is represented by drawing the thumb quickly across the body, and dropping the hands to the sides):"

"I solemnly covenant in the name of the Son that I will never reveal the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood or Sign of the Nail, with its accompanying name,and sign and penalty. Rather than do so, I would suffer my life to be taken."(Patrons perform the action as the Officiator guides them.)

"That will do." (All patrons sit down.)

You guys think these are bad; check out what the penalties were before the 1930s:

...Should we do so, we agree that our throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by their roots."

ADAM: "All bow your heads and say Yes."

TEMPLE PATRONS: "Yes." (All patrons sit down.)

"...Should we do so, we agree to have our breasts cut open and our hearts and vitals torn from our bodies and given to the birds of the air and the beasts of the field."

"All bow your heads and say yes."

TEMPLE PATRONS: "Yes." (All patrons sit down.)

"...Should we do so, we agree that our bodies be cut asunder in the midst and all our bowels gush out."

"All bow your heads and say yes."

TEMPLE PATRONS: "Yes." (All patrons sit down.)

I'd also like to put to bed, for good, the "is the temple ceremony SECRET or SACRED(as all TBMS and Mormon apologists claim)? In 1984, the following appeared in the temple ceremony that should answer this question:

ELOHIM: We will now give unto you the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood with its accompanying name, sign, and penalty. Before doing this, however, we desire to impress upon your minds the sacred character of the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign, and penalty, as well as that of all the other tokens of the Holy Priesthood, with their names, signs, and penalties, which you will receive in the temple this day. They are most sacred, and are guarded by solemn covenants and obligations of secrecy to the effect that under no condition, even at the peril of your life, will you ever divulge them, except at a certain place that will be shown you hereafter. The representation of the execution of the penalties indicates different ways in which life may be taken.(Does that sound like the penalties aren't literal to you, as TBMS and Mormon apologists also claim?)

One question that everyone should be asking themselves is this: if the Mormon Hierarchy had absolutely nothing to do with this horrific massacre at Mountain Meadows and they have no idea what happened there in Mountain Meadows on September 11, 1857, as current Mormon Prophet Gordon Bozo Hinckley claims; why are they so desperate to hang onto this land and not only keep the land they already have, but continue to expand their land holdings in that area. WHY?!!

If they were completely innocent in this matter, had nothing to do with it as Hinckley claims; they would turn this land over in 2 seconds....or should I say anyone with any human decency would do that. Gee, maybe they plan to one day build a mall on top of it or maybe a temple or a Stake Center...why not?

They'd probably have some big ceremony to dig up the bodies and move them somewhere else, to make room for their mall, or building or housing development. They'd spin it as how sensitive and kind they were to do this and that they cared so much, that they spent all that sacred money of Jesus Christ, to move the bodies of people that they didn't even kill. They would want everyone to pat them on the back and sadly, TBMS would do just that and rejoice and agree with everything they said and did, singing "We Thank Thee O God For A Prophet."

The Hierarchy would of course have their perpetual video camera there, to film a 2 hour special to play in betweens sessions of the next General Conference. They'd have the camera man go around and ask people what they thought of their kind gesture and only play the positive responses from die-hard TBMS in their 2 hour "we are wonderful" bullshit propaganda show.

I'm sure they'd also mix in plenty of Marlin K. Jensen, Daniel C. Peterson and Ken Verdoia, the new 3 headed Mormon apologist monster; to tell the world how wonderful it was that God's servants, would do such a magnificent thing and how much they loved these poor, innocent men, women and children, that the Mormon leaders butchered and slaughtered, without a doubt, as admitted to by Dallin H. Oaks.

They already dug up 28 bodies when building their bullshit, cover-our-ass(we just did it out of the blue, because we're really, super nice and feel bad the Indians or anti-Mormons killed your relatives) monument in 1999. As Hinckley says, "let the book of the past be closed." Why? I think we should let the book be wide open!!

But I guess that's easy to say for Hinckley, when you are the one trying desperately to cover up a mass murder that former Mormon leaders committed and celebrated. Their culpability might just affect the ol' "we're the one and only true church on the face of the earth" statement. Brigham Young angrily tearing down the monument is also absolute proof of his culpability in the whole thing. Why would he tear down a monument to the 120+ innocent men, women and children that were massacred?

In fact, even if Brigham Young didn't personally order the massacre, being the infallible, can't ever lead you astray Prophet, Seer and Revelator, that they all claim to be; he should have at least known about it from his latest conversation with Jesus Christ, right? Oh, it didn't come up in the conversation? Oh, okay, I guess it was meant to be and other things were more important, like blacks are the "seed of Cain" and should be executed and how to stick a javelin through your cheating wife and how to deal with and kill those evil, anti-Christ apostates.

The Mormon Hierarchy past and present, have no regard for those that died that dreadful day and have no regard for the families of the victims now. As I've mentioned, Dallin H. Oaks now admits, "without a doubt", that local leaders and Mormons committed the massacre and I wonder who the local leaders answered to...maybe Brigham Young? Ya think?!! Figure it out TBMS, as it's not difficult to connect the dots if you even have half a braincell functioning. Even the most brainwashed, deluded, TBM Mormon should be able to put this one together.

Anyway, I found this article to be both revealing and shocking and damn I'm glad it's out there, so that everyone can see what evil bastards the Mormon Hierarchy really and truly are and always have been. These are difficult times for the brainwashed TBMS in denial, who have been lied to since birth or conversion and especially the Mormon Apologists, like Daniel C. Peterson and Van Hale, who make a living making up pathetic, bullshit excuses for every vile teaching or doctrine they've ever taught and every dark sin and atrocity that they have committed, as if none of it ever really happened.

They bank on the fact that the world, specifically the Mormon members, are just a bunch of brainwashed dumb asses, who follow like little sheep and believe every word they say. Sadly, in many cases, they are right when it comes to the average Mormon, due to the deep indoctrination and brainwashing since birth. I'm just glad that I was able to break my death chains or darkness and brainwashing and see the light.

There is blood, that is literally on the hands of the past and current Mormon Hierarchy, along with their multitude of skeletons. How embarrassing it must be, to have to publicly defend these assholes to the world, as if none of it is true or ever happened. You couldn't pay me enough to defend these vile thugs, that masquerade as "servants of God", and sacrifice my integrity and reputation. Apparently some people can be easily bought off, as they have literally sold their souls to the Mormon Hierarchy.

Those that defend the Mormon Hierarchy, after having the truth and facts, are pathetic and a complete disgrace to all mankind and humanity.

As always, I look forward to your comments.

Samuel the Utahnite

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At Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:23:00 PM, Blogger Demon of Kolob said...

This article is now apearing in more newpapers than just the trib. Including the Daily Hearld in Provo

At Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:25:00 PM, Blogger Demon of Kolob said...

Since you have published the temple tokens if you are struck dead in 3 days that will prove the temple is bunk.

Thus spoke Enoch (my temple name)

At Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:41:00 PM, Blogger Samuel the Utahnite said...

At Thursday, June 21, 2007 1:21:00 PM, Demon of Kolob said...

They just posted a long article about the Mountain Meadows Massacre on this will run soon in the ensign and they have book coming out about their version of events at Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Official Mountain Meadows Response By The Mormon Hierarchy

At the dedication of the new monument Mormon prophet and CEO Gordon Hinckley claimed "that no one knows what happened here" , that was a lie as the Church now claims it knows all about the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

At Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:05:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is there any way to edit a comment?
That comment should not struck dead then this will prove the temple bunk


At Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:06:00 PM, Blogger Samuel the Utahnite said...

Yeah, Jesus Christ's "one and only true" website crashed last night for about 2 hours, right after the 10 o'clock news....hmm...I guess a lot of people are interested in this mass murder committed by Mormon leaders and then the complete cover-up of it all, that lasts until today.

But yeah, great point Demon...isn't it interesting that in 1999, Hinckley had absolutely no clue what happened and that he didn't want anyone to think the church had any involvement or that they were admitting any guilt, because of building the monument and him being there.

Now, they are the authority on the Mountain Meadows Massacre and know every single detail of what happened, that Brigham Young wasn't involved, tried to be the good guy, was never involved in any bloodshed, etc. Didn't they always teach that "the Indians did it?" OOPS!!

Wow, what happened in the last 8 years to allow this to happen? Maybe the new movie coming out, coupled with the PBS documentary, revealing the "real truth" about the events that transpired at Mountain Meadows?

Or maybe it was a direct revelation from Jesus Christ, or was Gordon Bozo Hinckley just lying again, like he always does...hmmm...I think it's obvious, don't you? You would think it would get embarrassing after a while, to be caught in so many public lies, one after another.

Sadly, most of the Morgbots just bow their heads and say yes, while handing the jackass more of their money, in order to get into the temple of doom and secure their eternal life in the Celestial Kingdom with Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.

I posted the videos from channel 4(the ABC affiliate here in Utah), on my dailymotion account.

I also posted a funny as hell video with a Georgia preacher taking on the clueless, "we've got the only truth/read the Book of Mormon" missionaries, who looked like deer in the headlights...LOL!!

Anyway, here's the link to my videos and the Georgia preacher is first and then the next 2 are the videos from channel 4.

My Dailymotion Videos!!

Also, there are some great conversations going on over at the Internet Movie Database site, regarding September Dawn and the Mormon cult, for those that are interested and would like to join in.

I'm involved in the thread I started, entitled, "Mormon Apostle Dallin H. Oaks Admits Mormon Leaders Massacred Them!!" and also, "If this is correct then it is bad for Mormonism."

There are some real TBM and Mormon apologist nutjobs over there posting, as well as some great ex-Mormons.

Anyway, here's the link if anyone would like to register for free and join in:

September Dawn Forum Over At


At Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Samuel still around?


At Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:01:00 AM, Blogger Samuel the Utahnite said...

Hey Enoch, thanks for asking!! Yep, I'm still here and kicking and everything is just fine, despite my revealing, once again, of the holy and very sacred death tokens of the Mormon temple, or Joseph's little house of horrors, as I like to call it.

I guess the Mormon God is out to lunch again, or playing 18 holes on Kolob, even though I should be his number one target, after posting such sacred and deadly information, for all of the evil, vile Gentiles to read.

I kept feeling the urge to slit my throat( and cut open my chest and disembowel myself) and I guess that was the same Mormon Holy Ghost that inspired Nephi 3 times to cut off the head of Laban, which he finally did, reluctantly of course.

It sucks to have to obey that Mormon Holy Ghost, especially when it requires cold blooded murder...but a Mormon Saint must do what he has to do, right? It's kind of like the Lafferty brothers, who were just obeying those voices in their head.

Anyway, I hope that the Mormon God/Jesus/Holy Ghost, didn't punish anyone else because of my transgression. After all, they were just reading what I wrote, so chill out big man, it will all be okay...LOL!!

Anyway, thanks again Enoch for being concerned about my welfare, but everything seems to be fact, better than ever. I think someone might have even blessed me for revealing the evil tokens of the Mormon death cult of shame. Maybe it was the Christian God/Jesus combo?

Take care,


At Tuesday, June 26, 2007 8:10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been struck down for my blasamy I was struck on the sidewalk by a roque cyclist. I think it was a mormon missionary.


At Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:19:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, you sure do your research! I read your posts often, and I enjoy them and appreciate all the work you put do. I'd say more, but I'm in a bit of a rush. I enjoyed this post. I look forward to more.


At Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:00:00 AM, Blogger Elder Joseph said...

Well I've handed out a few copies of the PBS documentary around in church ....

Of course everyone is grumbling about it .. lol They don't even recognise its their own kind featured on it .One thought there was only 4 church members featured when there were at least 12 and probably much more .I think everyone thinks Dan Peterson is an Anti Mormon , he did after all tell the world about Joseph Sticking his head in a hat !! hahah

I think I'm going to intervene on some of the black converts and introduce them to the teachings of the church on the pre existence ... see if they get the warm fuzzy feeling .

We've not had any other type of convert except for desperate African Asylum seekers ... Its difficult out there for the missionaries .They haven't brought any new investigators into church in our ward for a year at least now I reckon . The last two we had soon dissapeared lol

At Monday, December 03, 2007 5:13:00 PM, Anonymous AntiUtahnite said...

You fucking Utahnite

That's all you can do is to delete my post.

Aren't brave enough to take discussion???


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