Tuesday, April 03, 2007

Anti-Mormon/Pro-Christian Protesters At The Mormon General Conference-March 31-April 1, 2007.





I'll just let you guys comment on this one, as I've already made myself perfectly clear on what I think of these pathetic losers.

Samuel the Utahnite

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18 Comments:

At Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:19:00 AM, Blogger Heart for the Lost said...

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At Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:26:00 AM, Blogger Ray said...

I think it would take a ton of guts to do what these guys do. I could never do it, but of course, I wouldn't even if I had the personality for it.

 
At Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:32:00 PM, Blogger Ray said...

I just noticed something...

Does anyone else find it interesting that General Conference was held on April Fools Day this year? I know Samuel did an April Fools post, but it didn't click with me until I saw the title of this post.

 
At Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:36:00 PM, Blogger Al Jordan said...

General Conference certainly is foolish!

 
At Wednesday, April 04, 2007 8:29:00 PM, Blogger Ray said...

Here is an update on the perverted bishop in Weber County... Apparently he made his first court appearance today.

http://www.abc4.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoId=60984

 
At Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:27:00 PM, Blogger Ray said...

How come you never hear in the news about ex-Mormons molesting little girls? Aren't ex-mo's supposed to be these terrible, wicked, awful people? So how come it's always bishops and stake presidents in the news who are supposedly called of god because of how worthy they are?

Ex-Mo = Son of Perdition; never in the news for sexual crimes.

Bishop = Righteous, called of god; always in the news for sexual crimes.

What is wrong with this picture?

 
At Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:03:00 PM, Blogger Bonnie said...

I would not want to talk with one of these men that are shouting things. Now if somebody was there sitting at a table with information about another way of thinking, I might be inclined to talk to them. But these guys seem so bizarre that I would worry that they are on drugs.

I feel sorry for the Mormons who want to quietly walk into the mind control conference center for their semi annual bull fest. At least they go in, listen, and act like humans beings.

These guys are nuts jobs, offensive, and rude.

And what's with the garment thing? That is so stupid.

These guys make me sick.

 
At Monday, April 09, 2007 7:53:00 AM, Blogger Elder Joseph said...

Happy Easter everyone ( named after the goddess Ishtar) lol

But thats the beauty of Christianity I guess changing all the pre christian concepts of gods and goddesses and superceding them with Christianity's version.

just a thought , I have a video on You Tube called Joseph Smith - Head in A Hat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4RPpWfvVNs

What I can't understand is why Mormons are calling me names , getting angry with me ,even calling me a liar ? How can that be if i'm telling the truth ?

Apart from name calling , No one challenges my video's claim that the Mormon Church is decieving us by telling us Joseph Smith used a biblical Urim and Thummim and Breastplate when in reality he used a Hat and a Peep Stone .....

Its amazing , I thought I might be congratulated for telling the truth but quite the opposite !

Articles of Faith 13 we believe in being Honest, true , etc etc

Elder Joseph

 
At Monday, April 09, 2007 8:05:00 AM, Blogger Kent said...

These guys are Attention whores , they must know that their grandstanding is not going to convert anyone. They just want to be thorn in peoples sides so they will have to notice them.

 
At Monday, April 09, 2007 9:40:00 PM, Blogger Ray said...

Yes, I have often wondered how successful they are but I would imagine not very much...

In the pagan culture, the serpent was viewed as a holy animal. Christianity, of course, turned around and made it the symbol of the devil.

Elder Joseph, as you continue to learn more about Mormons, you will discover a culture that is terrified of honesty. Everything about it promotes lying, dishonesty, etc. In order to "fit in" one must obey all the rules. And since no one can obey all the rules all the time, they lie about it. They pretend life is wonderful even if it sucks. After all, the ONLY path to true happiness is Mormonism. So if you're miserable, you just pretend to be happy. That's the game. Everyone plays pretend and everyone is "happy". It's sad really, but that's how it is.

In fact, one of the initial reasons I quit going to church was because I was tired of the happy act. I was miserable and I was sick and tired of pretending.

 
At Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:36:00 AM, Blogger S said...

I read the following on the internet and it made me remember when the mormon missionaries (who acording to the Bible are not Elders, but Evangelists)cept asking me if I got that feeling that the book of mormon is true, eventough they had only asked me to read a few verses from it.

ATTEMPTING the ABSURD


There are some things which cannot be done. They simply are not sensible. Can a bird safely fly through a tree trunk? Can a fish swim through a solid stone? Can an elephant wrap its own trunk around its own body and lift itself into the air? Such ideas are absurd.


Likewise, it is absurd for men to invent their own religion. For thousands of years, people have been forming religions to please themselves. See Ex. 32:7-8; Num. 25:2-3; Deut. 4:14-24; Acts 17:22-34; and Rom. 1:18-25. Furthermore, people continue to form their own religions. Some people even start new religions similar to the Lord's church and call them Christianity. To follow man-made spiritual teachings is neither safe nor sensible. Man-made religion is not the truth, and distorted versions of Christianity are not the truth.


So, we must ask ourselves, “Is my religious belief truly from God?” If not, it is as ridiculous as trying to fly through wood or swim through stone. What religious belief is truly from God?


Some people think that the true religion involves only facts. Some think that they can be guided to truth through their feelings alone. The true religion involves both knowledge and emotion.


We must have knowledge. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth (Jn. 4:24). Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life (Jn. 14:6). Belief (faith) which pleases God comes from hearing the word of Christ (Rom. 10:17), and we must continue in His word to know the truth of salvation (Jn. 8:31-32).


We must also feel. Christian emotions must include brotherly love (Rom. 12:10), a tender heart (Eph. 4:32), joy in Christ (Jn. 17:13; Rom. 14:17; 1 Pet. 1:8), cheerfulness in giving (2 Cor. 9:7), hope, meekness, and fear (1 Pet. 3:15; Matt. 10:28). Emotion is even part of becoming a Christian, since the sinner must repent (Luke 13:3; Acts 2:37-38). Repentance means turning away from sin because we feel sorrow about the sins we have committed: “For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation...” (2 Cor. 7:10). The scriptures show that our heart is not right if we have no feeling. For examples, read Matt. 13:15; Mk. 3:5; and Eph. 4:17-24. And as you read, notice that these verses also have a relationship to learning the truth. This is because correct emotions must be based upon knowledge of the truth. In religion, correct emotions and correct knowledge must be connected. They act upon each other.


In Romans 10:1-3, we see Paul's desire that more Jews would accept the truth of Christ: “Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. (2) For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. (3) For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.” They had a zeal (strong emotion) for God, but not according to the knowledge of His righteousness, which is revealed by Christ (verse 4). That knowledge of God's righteousness is the “word of faith” which the apostles preached (verses 5-8), recorded for us in the New Testament. That knowledge leads to a belief from the heart, which includes emotion (verses 9-10). See also Phil. 3:7-11.


Other scriptures show the special relationship of knowledge and emotion. Colossians 1:9-14 points to the blessing of being filled with the “knowledge of God,” which leads to joy and thankfulness. Ephesians 3:8-19 speaks of Paul preaching (delivering knowledge about) the “unsearchable riches of” Christ. And Paul prayed that those Christians would be so deeply rooted and grounded (firmly set) in love (which involves emotion) that they would gain more understanding of the love of Christ, a love which even surpasses knowledge.

Various denominations claim to be Christian, but teach and follow doctrines that were decided upon by mere men after the time of the apostles. What is the true knowledge and the right kind of emotion? The purpose of the scriptures is to reveal the truth (Heb. 2:3-4). They furnish the knowledge toward salvation in Christ and can make us completely equipped for every good work (2 Tim. 3:13-17). Searching the scriptures for knowledge can lead to the right kind of faith (Acts 17:11-12). It is essential to follow only the teaching of Christ and His inspired apostles and prophets, as faithful churches of the first century did. The inspired writers of the New Testament taught truth, not man-made religion (2 Pet. 1:16; see Jn. 21:24). In the apostles' time, there were many people who did not accept the truth. They had no love for truth (2 Thess. 2:10-12). And Paul knew that the time was coming when some Christians would not hold to the “sound doctrine” but would turn to false doctrines or “fables” (2 Tim. 4:3-4).


The actions and words of many false teachers often show that their teachings are not pure truth (Titus 1:10-16). However, they still deceive many people who do not have sufficient knowledge, but follow their emotions. Other people seek knowledge without emotion. So we find many religions, divisions among those religions, and divisions among people who claim to follow Christ. Such things are against God's will. “There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; (5) one Lord, one faith, one baptism; (6) one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Eph. 4:4-6).


Those who want to be Christians should be certain that they are not relying upon emotion without proper knowledge, OR upon knowledge without emotion. Ephesians 4:13-16 shows the importance of being mature and stable in the true knowledge. This leads to the right emotions and helps the Christian avoid false doctrines.


When a person holds a religion without emotion, he does not fully believe it in his heart. Emotions based upon a growing knowledge of Christ's truth will become more steady and assured. But religions based upon false “knowledge” or deceptive emotions can be religions which change with the desires and imaginations of men. They often do change. Such religions, including beliefs which are wrongly labeled Christianity, are unacceptable to God: “And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” (Matt. 15:9).


We should not expect God to approve of our actions in worship or in daily life simply because they feel right. It is absurd to accept only part of the true knowledge, attempting to make our religion fit our feelings. Likewise, it is absurd to simply believe facts without feeling. To be acceptable to God, we must act from correct emotions, which must be based upon correct knowledge from the scriptures. Just as an elephant cannot lift itself into the air, we cannot lift ourselves into heaven by the power of our own knowledge or emotion. “O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; it is not in man who walks to direct his own steps” (Jer. 10:23; see Pr. 14:12).


“Do not withhold Your tender mercies from me, O Lord; let Your lovingkindness and Your truth continually preserve me. For innumerable evils have surrounded me; my iniquities have overtaken me, so that I am not able to look up; they are more than the hairs of my head; therefore my heart fails me” (Ps. 40:11-12).


“I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry. He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my steps” (Ps. 40:1-2).


“Let all those who seek You rejoice and be glad in You; let such as love Your salvation say continually, ‘The Lord be magnified!’ ” (Ps. 40:16).


The correct knowledge of Christ and our correct feelings from that knowledge lead us to obey the gospel. See Rom. 1:5; 6:3-5, 16-18; 10:16; 16:26; 2 Thess. 1:8; 1 Pet. 1:2; 4:17. And the grace of God through Christ raises us to salvation. The true religion, the only religion which pleases God, has both correct knowledge and correct emotion.

— J. L. Leifeste


from: http://www.gospelteacher.org/articles/Attempting_the_Absurd_JL.htm

 
At Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:02:00 AM, Blogger Elder Joseph said...

Ray

I have noticed that there seems top be a reluctance to talk about history in the Mormon Church . When I first went they all said don't be afraid to ask questions . Now that I have asked some , I start not to feel too welcome ( only from a minority though ) most are great but I'm concerned at why they are so great to me .Is it just to get me to join ?

They've been obsessed to get me baptised to the point that The Bishop asked me to try baptism out , because I'll receive the Holy Ghost and then if I'm not any more certain I can get my name taken off !! he did emphasize " Pay Tithe Though " lol

I've noticed a big emphasis in Mormon Church on "Priesthood Poer and Authority " " The Only Authority " . I hear this every week and its started to get on my nerves ! lol I can see lots of people don't look happy and when they speak about how happy the church makes them , its obvious that they are just saying it because they are expected to . Fast and Testimony meetings is the same old stuff word for word .

One of my Missionaries did a farewell talk of his mission highlights . He didn't tell them about the evening he heard from me that Joseph Smith put his head in a hat. They were still with me until after 10.30 pm ( past their mission rules deadline ), reluctant to go back to their flat , they were laughing ! lol

In Gospel Principles class we are taught to be Robots , giving the answers they want to hear when the Teacher asks a question .

I feel like bringing a Top Hat and a stone to church to re enact those amazing times when translating the BOM . Its really niggling at me now every time I see the new Ensigns showing him studying the open plates like a scholar .

Missionaries are influencing people into this religion on false information, they themselves not knowing any better .

I didn't listen to the General Conference this time , not even to see the funny side .... I just can't stand listening to those plastic men ! I can't believe I sat through the last 3 of them like an idiot . Well at least I investigated properly . At last conference in the priesthood session I saw a few guys making notes of the session !! The only need to get last years notes out and realise its exactly the same ! lol

E J

 
At Friday, April 20, 2007 12:07:00 PM, Blogger Ray said...

Notice how, in both videos, you can hear the choir singing in the background. I tried to film them but they stopped singing right as I started filming. Oh well.

 
At Saturday, April 21, 2007 1:15:00 AM, Blogger Dennis said...

Hey Samuel,
I appreciate what you are doing. But I want to correct your perspective on this post:
evangelicals are not Christians.
They are as sectarian and fanatic as Mormons are.
Your headline "Anti-Mormon Pro-Christian" is therefore misleading. You are using the same cult terminology they are using, making them "true Christians".

There is nothing farer from the truth.

I am not here to lead a theological debate. It is not about the Trinity stuff and so on that I would not call them Christians, but for their immoral, hateful, aggressive behavior.

If we forget about all that theological stuff which in reality doesn't matter, what is most important is:
- love other people as you love yourself. Treat other people with love and respect.
- if you are treated bad, don't react in the same way, but stop the vicious cycle of hate, violence and revenge, by reacting with love and compassion.

If you take these guidelines as a means to measure a Christian, these evangelicals utterly fail. They condemn, they are not loving.
They only preach about hell.

Moreover, if you look at their behavior, you can see clear signs of mind-control and fanaticism.

Have you recognized that it makes no sense to discuss with Eric Hoffman in a rational way?
That is not because he is stubborn, but because he is mind-controlled by his cult and cannot think rational anymore. As any mobot who is trained (Pavlov) to act and think in certain ways, so these evangelicals act and think in certain ways too.

So there are two points I want you to consider:
1) Acknowledge that both Mormons and Evangelicals are brainwashed and mindcontroled. Therefore, pure rational discussions cannot reach them. Someone has already posted a google video about mind-control. I would highly recommend it to anyone.

2) Recognize the difference between evangelicalism, which is a cult movement too, and Christianity as a whole. Do you see millions of catholics running around, condemning everyone? Do you see millions of mainstream protestants do so?
No. Please don't take over their ideology that evangelicals are true Christians. They are not.

They represent Christianity like Al-Kaida represents Islam.
They are a fanatic splinter group with radical beliefs and acts.
You have seen their hideous behavior in their DVD campaign.
It is as hideous as Al-Kaida's terrorist attacks. Morality doesn't matter when the holy cause can be helped, when the "holy war" is fought.

Keep doing what you're doing, but watch out for other cults as well, and remember that you don't talk to rational people, you talk to mind-controlled people who believe anything their leaders tell them.

I mean:
Indians are descendents of the Jews, how naive must one be?
The whole earth was flooded with water, where is all the water gone?
The earth was created in 7 days, where do the dinosaurs fit in?
You see, there is nothing rational in their mind.

Moriancumr 77.
(It's a reformed-egyptian word,right?)

 
At Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:53:00 PM, Blogger Ray said...

Dennis,

Wow an excellent comment. You hit the nail right on the head! I couldn't agree with you more.

 
At Monday, June 18, 2007 8:15:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL

You don't have a clue what these guys are about!

 
At Friday, November 27, 2009 11:29:00 PM, Blogger Heretic said...

Your language was foul,your attack on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was rabid in it's ferocity.
You have obviously stopped believing in God because the filth and lies displayed on your blogs would not be acceptable by God under any circumstances.
Oath breaking is a serious matter,it does not matter what type of organisation that you belong to.
The venom and hatred displayed by you is not healthy and I would implore you to seek some sort of help.

 
At Sunday, April 11, 2010 10:00:00 PM, Blogger C.a said...

This stuff is hilarious... I'm a member of the church and want to go to conference sometime to laugh at this crazy people

 

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