Matthew S. Turley, Mormon Missionary, Tragically Killed Yesterday In Argentina; Still No Official Mention Of His Death On LDS.ORG!!
Elder Matthew S. Turley and Elder Tyler A. Watts, from left to right.
***Update***4/27/06-Well, none of us should be surprised!! I knew it was too good to be true, that the Mormon Church would continue to honor the death of Matthew Turley, a Mormon Missionary, by making him the number one news story, on either one of their news sections. As pointed out below in my other updates, he wasn't originally number one, until after I wrote this post blasting them for it, as I've been doing since December, when Benjamin Ellsworth died and wasn't even mentioned on LDS.ORG.
Sadly, in the section "News for members and friends of the Church", where Matthew Turley's death, mysteriously rose to number one, after being number 2 the day before, he has now fallen to number 3 in about a day's time. So what was it that suddenly and quickly became more important than the life of this missionary? Well, the number one story is now, "Number 4,000 for Music and the Spoken Word" and the number 2 story is, "Elder Kikuchi Encourages Korean, Japanese Students." So, how many damn shows the MOTAB has done and Elder Kikuchi speaking, are now more important than a missionary that died and it only took one day for this to happen?
It even gets worse on the other news page, "Newsroom for news media" where the prime story on the front page is "United Way Honors Church Leader" and where Matthew Turley was already 2nd and has now fallen to 4th. I predict within a few more days, he wont even be on the main page of either news pages, if they have to create new news stories or pull them out of their ass to do it. The quicker this news goes away, of a missionary dying and not being protected by the Lord or his garments, the better, right? That's obviously what they are doing and I'm just here to point it out to everyone, as I always do.
Come on everybody, read this post, think about what I'm writing, hell, even ponder and pray about it if you are a TBM and you'll know that what I'm saying is true.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, that these men know no shame and will do whatever it takes to keep the big corporate money machine, that is masquerading as a church, running at full steam. Speaking of running at full steam, I wonder how Boyd K. Packer's little factory is doing, or if he has been fondling it, making it speed up lately.
Yeah, that's the kind of bullshit these pathetic, so called "men of God", care about, not whether a missionary died. The Mormon Church and the Mormon Hierarchy, all the way to Gordon B. Hinckley himself, are an unbelievable disgrace!! When will the masses realize that the Church doesn't give a tinkers damn about them, their family, their missionaries or anybody, but their image, shopping malls, luxury resorts and filthy lucre? Hopefully sooner than later!!
WAKE UP EVERYBODY AND SEE THE LIGHT!!
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***Update***4/25/06-Wow!! Did the Church actually read my blog and respond or what? Suddenly, the number 2 story on their "News for members and friends of the Church" page, became the number one story and the number one story, fell to number 2. They have never done this one time, that I've seen in the last 10 months. Now, on their "Newsroom for news media" page(formerly "mistakes in the media" page), Matthew Turley's tragic death is still number 2, as it was yesterday, behind the article, "Church Supports Call for Constitutional Amendment."
I'm amazed that the Mormon Church actually put the missionary death first, on either of their news sections. Whether it was my influence or somebody else's, it doesn't matter, as I'm just grateful, that this missionary, Matthew Turley, and his family, are being honored by having a link to his tragic accident on the homepage of LDS.ORG, where it belongs and belonged yesterday. That is all I wanted!! Honor this young man and his family for his ultimate sacrifice!!
Whether they were shamed into it or not, at least they eventually did the right thing for this man and his family. Now, let's see how long it stays there. I'll keep everyone posted on that.***
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***Update***4/24/06-Believe it or not, the Mormon Church, has actually, finally, reported the death of this missionary on their website. His companion was from Utah, so maybe that had something to do with it? It wasn't there earlier, but it is now. My blog, sadly, reported it before they did and hopefully my blog maybe forced them or persuaded them to actually report it this time, which is not customary at all, for the Mormon Hierarchy.
After all, I have people from Church headquarters and BYU(FARMS), reading my blog on a daily basis, for hours at a time, so maybe they caught this post and reacted quickly. They(The Mormon Hierarchy) strongly prefer and try, to sweep all missionary deaths under the carpet, as they aren't faith promoting and may affect future recruits into their cult, especially future missionary recruits.
Still no mention of Benjamin Ellsworth, who was killed in December and Joel Galindo Flores, who was killed in Mexico 11/9/2005 when he was also hit by car. That is just 2 of the hundreds of missionaries killed, that the Church doesn't mention, honor, acknowledge or respect in anyway whatsoever. The Mormon Church has no memorial, no memoriam, nada, zilch, honoring these poor young men and women, who died trying to convert more people into their damn cult.
Where is the compassion and the love? Where is their public show and display of gratitude, for these young men and women that have made the ultimate sacrifice for their damn lies and fairy tales? These young men and women, (along with their families), believed with their heart and soul, that they were representatives of Jesus Christ, also that they would be protected during their mission, but at the same time, were willing to die for Hinckley and the Mormon Church and well, they did, sadly die, in the service of the Mormon Church/Cult.
Let me also point out a couple of things to everyone that you may or may not have noticed, that irritate the living, holy hell out of me and I find them to be absolutely reprehensible and disgusting.
First of all, this story of Matthew Turley's death, is 2nd, yes 2nd, in the Mormon Church's current stories. In other words, take a look, under "NEWSROOM", as this story doesn't appear on the home page of LDS.ORG, which only lists the "NUMBER ONE STORY." The number one story, is the homophobic/bigoted story, entitled, "Church Supports Call for Constitutional Amendment."
Secondly, on the actual page, of the story, of Matthew Turley's death, it is the same article, word for word, as reported on KSL. But the big thing to me, and the most despicable thing, is that once again, accompanying this article, under
"DETAILED INFORMATION", it lists:
Elder Ballard Speaks on Missionary Safety
So, once again, even when a missionary dies, the Church wants to reassure future missionaries and their families, that the Church is doing all that they can, with the inspiration of the Lord and inspired Mission Presidents, to keep them safe and oh yeah, "THE WORK WILL GO FORWARD NO MATTER WHAT!! All they care about is image and more baptisms from more missionaries and the bottom line. They love quoting the trash talking, Joseph Smith worshiping, hard-ass Ballard, who (supposedly) wouldn't care if someone he loved, died for the Mormon cause.
Let's refresh everyone's mind on exactly, word for word, what the pathetic Mormon Apostle M. Russell Ballard said, right after Morgan Young and the 2 missionaries in New Zealand were killed:
This work will continue to go forward regardless of what happens, regardless of what the future may hold. If there are other missionaries that are hurt or other missionaries that are killed, it will not stop this work. Joseph Smith made that abundantly clear that there would be nothing that would stop this work from rolling forward till the Great Jehovah comes forward and says the work is done. And He hasn't said that yet.
Elder M. Russell Ballard-Member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
Audio of the remark
Text of the remark
Now, that's love and compassion for grieving families, isn't it? What a sad commentary on these pathetic men, that purport to be Prophets, Seers and Revelators!!***
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Well guys, I'm sorry to report once again, that yet another missionary has died and like Benjamin Ellsworth, who died in December, it was in Argentina, where I served my mission and almost died myself, while serving the Mormon cult.
Also, like Benjamin Ellsworth and most other missionaries that have died; no mention on LDS.ORG. Frankly, since it happened so far away, and the missionary wasn't from Utah, I highly doubt that they will even mention it at all, at any point, on LDS.ORG, like the majority of missionary deaths. If he was from Bountiful Utah, their backyard, they'd be all over it and be going to his funeral, with cameras snapping, like Morgan Young, when he died. One also has to wonder, as I've mentioned before, why aren't the holy, sacred garments of God protecting these poor, young, supposed servants and direct representatives of Jesus Christ?
I'll be doing more in the very near future on what the Church has "OFFICIALLY" said about how the garments protect you from harm and from SATAN. Of course, it always hinges on your obedience, which is a travesty to these missionaries that are dying. Just to insinuate that, "if they would have been worthy, their garments would have protected them", is asinine and outright evil and an amazing deception.
The "obedience" factor, is always the Church's escape hatch, back door, or way out of any promise or blessing(health, Patriarchal, etc), that doesn't come true. It's the ultimate bail out and cover all(or how they cover their ass!!). Also, where was the supposed inspiration from Gordon B. Hinckley, the current Mormon Prophet, Seer and Revelator. The Mormon God, must have been out hitting the links on Kolob or something......or Gordon B. Hinckley isn't a Prophet at all? You think?
I wish more people, specifically, you TBMS, would get a clue and connect the dots. It's time to quit sending your kids on missions, thinking that they will be protected by garments, a Prophet or the Mormon God. 6 missionaries have died since November and nobody saw it coming and the garments did nothing.
I will sadly and unfortunately, be adding Matthew Turley to my missionary memoriam page later today. By the way, Where is the Mormon Churches "Missionary Memoriam Page?" Oh yeah, that's right, they don't have one, because they don't give a damn about who dies and who gets sick(Ballard), the work will go forward because Ol'Joe said so....how sad!!
Now, as I pointed out in the title to this post, there was no mention of this on LDS.ORG and I found out through the News Media once again, as the Church made their announcement through KSL TV, which they own and only people in Utah or surrounding areas are able to see. The story was brief, to the point and they moved right on to the next story, like it was nothing. I find this appalling!! Here is the story on KSL.COM:
LDS Missionary Killed by Drunk Driver
April 24th, 2006 @ 4:23pm
(KSL News) -- A missionary serving The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Argentina was killed yesterday by a drunk driver.
The incident happened in San Luis. The victim is Elder Matthew Turley of Ridgefield, Connecticut. His companion, Elder Tyler Watts, of West Valley City was also hit but is expected to make a full recovery.
The missionaries were walking on a path beside a street when they were hit from behind by a drunk driver on the wrong side of the road.
Elder Turley had served for 21 months, Elder Watts for 17.
LDS Church spokesman Dale bills said, "We extend our deepest sympathies to the family of Elder Turley. We pray that the Lord will comfort them as they mourn his loss. Our prayers are also with Elder Watts and his family as he recovers from his injuries."
Here is the article from the local Argentina Newspaper, for those of you that speak Spanish. I linked to it at the bottom, but you may need to register, as I did, in order to enter. However, here is the entire article, word for word.
ACCIDENTE EN LA AVENIDA SARMIENTO DE SAN LUIS
Alcoholizado, un automovilista embistió a un joven mormón y lo mató
Fue ayer a la mañana. (April 24, 2006) El conductor del auto abandonó la escena del accidente y lo interceptaron a las pocas cuadras.
Un accidente fatal, donde según asegura la Policía una vez más estuvo presente el alcohol como desencadenante de la desgracia, ocurrió ayer a la mañana en avenida Sarmiento, en las proximidades de la esquina con calle Córdoba, en el sector este de San Luis. La víctima es un misionero estadounidense que murió en el instante, al ser embestido desde atrás por un automóvil.
El trágico episodio sucedió alrededor de las 9, a metros del inicio de una bajada situada a poca distancia de calle Felipe Velázquez. El fallecido fue identificado como Mattew Scott Turley, de 19 años, quien en el momento de ser arrollado caminaba junto a otro religioso que también sufrió lesiones y está fuera de peligro. Se trata de Watts Tailor, de 20 años y domiciliado en calle Colón al 245.
La absurda muerte del consejero de la Iglesia Jesucristo de los Santos de los Ultimos Días, sucedió en circunstancias en que a pie se dirigía junto a su compañero a cumplir con una de las habituales visitas a una de las familias de esa comunidad religiosa. Los dos mormones transitaban por el costado oeste de Sarmiento, es decir que de frente podían ver los vehículos que bajaban.
Pero la fatalidad sorprendió a Turley por la espalda, ya que sin darle lugar a la más mínima reacción, tanto él como Tailor fueron arrollados por el Volkswagen Senda dominio WJF 823 que conducía Daniel Hipólito Martín, de 27 años y con domicilio en avenida Centenario 148, en San Luis.
De acuerdo a la reconstrucción de la tragedia que hace el área de Accidentología Vial del Cuerpo de Tránsito, el VW Senda se desplazaba por Sarmiento de sur a norte y antes de llegar al cruce con calle Córdoba, Martín perdió el control del volante y abruptamente se desvió hacia el carril contrario, embistiendo a los dos misioneros.
Tailor tuvo un poco más de fortuna, porque tras ser golpeado por el costado izquierdo fue despedido hacia la vereda. Sin embargo no ocurrió lo mismo con el muchacho de 19 años, que después de golpear con violencia contra el capó fue arrastrado más de 20 metros.
El estadounidense sufrió golpes en todo el cuerpo, pero las lesiones irreversibles las padeció en la cabeza. “Le partió el cráneo”, sintetizó uno de los peritos policiales, para indicar seguidamente que en el lugar donde quedó tendido, quedó una gran mancha de sangre debido a las fatales lesiones internas y cortes en el cuero cabelludo.
El otro misionero fue hospitalizado y por la tarde fue dado de alta, por lo que de inmediato iba a ser trasladado a Accidentología Vial, para tomarle la correspondiente declaración testimonial.
La situación de Martín se presenta como muy complicada. Algunos testigos del drama le hicieron conocer a la Policía que “tras despedir el cuerpo de Turley se detuvo, bajó y se fue”, apuntó un vocero policial. Minutos más tarde fue interceptado frente a la parroquia Nuestra Señora del Carmen.
En la dependencia con sede en calle Falucho, detrás de la Comisaría 1ª, se le efectuó la prueba de alcotest y el resultado fue positivo, según confió una fuente del sector. Quedó detenido acusado de “Homicidio culposo en accidente de tránsito” y a disposición del Juzgado en lo Penal y Correccional Nº 3.
El sumario además de la prueba de alcotest, comprende vistas fotográficas, plano del escenario del hecho y pericias mecánicas.
http://www.eldiariodelarepublica.com/060424/13.php
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Here is the article and link to the story that is currently on the Deseret News website:
Car strikes, kills LDS missionary in Argentina
Companion from W.V. injured by drunken driver
By Ben Winslow
Deseret Morning News
An LDS missionary in Argentina was killed and his companion was injured when they were hit by a drunken driver while walking to meet a family and accompany them to Sunday services.
Matthew S. Turley, 21, of Ridgefield, Conn., and Elder Tyler A. Watts, 20, of West Valley City, were walking on a path beside a street in San Luis, Argentina, when they were struck from behind by a drunken driver who was on the wrong side of the road, said Dale Bills, a spokesman for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
"We extend our deepest sympathies to the family of Elder Turley," Bills said Monday. "We pray that the Lord will comfort them as they mourn his loss."
Elder Turley's father, Scott Turley, told KSL-TV his son was "a very determined young man in all he did, and his mission was no exception."
In 2002, Elder Turley made headlines as a high school athlete who refused to play in a state high school championship football game because it was on a Sunday. As a practicing Mormon, he told the News-Times in Ridgefield, Conn., "I've never faced a decision of this magnitude."
The missionaries were on their way to meet a family who was preparing for a baptism and were to accompany them to church services, said Salt Lake Granger South Stake President Roger Nordgren, who oversees the Watts family's West Valley ward.
The Watts family "is obviously grateful that their son wasn't injured more seriously," Nordgren said.
The Argentinian newspaper El Diario de la Republica reported Monday that Daniel Hipolito Martin, 27, was detained on charges of automobile homicide. The newspaper said Martin fled the scene of the crash and was found a couple of blocks away, and police said Martin tested positive for alcohol use.
Describing a bloody scene, El Diario de la Republica published crash-scene photographs of a blue Volkswagen with a shattered front windshield. The Spanish-language newspaper said Turley was dragged for 20 meters and died of head injuries.
Elder Watts was treated and released from a local hospital and is expected to make a full recovery, the LDS Church said. Local church members were helping him. The Watts family spoke to him Sunday night.
"He was able to walk," Nordgren said. "He said he was doing well under the circumstances."
Elder Turley had served in the Argentina Mendoza Mission for 21 months, Elder Watts had served 17.
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E-mail: bwinslow@desnews.com
Samuel the Utahnite
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posted by Samuel the Utahnite @ 5:11 PM
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12 Comments:
what is wrong with you? Why do you find it necessary to bash other people's beliefs? Do you think that is Christlike? I understand that all need find truth for themselves, but I don't understand a website completely dedicated to demoralizing a religion. It just doesn't make sense.
Hey Anon,
What the hell is wrong with you? That would be the better question. Do you only take out of my post what makes you feel the warm and fuzzies in your bosom and ignore the rest, because the truth hurts too bad?
Let me repeat; M. Russell Ballard said:
This work will continue to go forward regardless of what happens, regardless of what the future may hold. If there are other missionaries that are hurt or other missionaries that are killed, it will not stop this work. Joseph Smith made that abundantly clear that there would be nothing that would stop this work from rolling forward till the Great Jehovah comes forward and says the work is done. And He hasn't said that yet.
Now, the sick and awful part of the statement was:
If there are other missionaries that are hurt or other missionaries that are killed, it will not stop this work.
Why is this so awful? Because 5, yes 5 missionaries had just been killed in about a months time and this was the Mormon Hierarchy's response, to their families and the world, that they didn't give a damn if more missionaries got sick or died in the future!! And you have a problem with me?!! The problem is clearly with you if this doesn't outrage you, even a little.
I have a missionary memoriam page, which lists every death of every Mormon missionary that has ever died. I keep it current and it is my most popular page on my blog and the only one on the Internet, that is so inclusive and kept current.
Does the Mormon Hierarchy have a Memoriam page? Do they have a monument? Do they do anything to honor their fallen missionaries like I do? The answer is no, they don't, because it isn't faith promoting and they clearly don't give a damn about them!! Do you care?
Why do I care so much? Because I was once a missionary for this cult and I know how missionaries are treated and how nobody gives a damn about them, in life or in death. It's a damn shame and shame on you for not giving a damn either and for supporting their insensitive and hateful rhetoric. I hope one day you will either have a heart or a brain, to know that this is wrong!!
It's okay for your beloved cult hierarchy to bash the dead missionaries and their families, but not okay for me to bash them for their bashing? Again, I'll ask the same question you asked me; what the hell is wrong with you?!!
Samuel
You are going on and on about how bad it is. Why cant you let go. It is the truth of the gospel that continues to draw you back. It is an undeniable truth and you know it. That is why you cant let go. Yes it is sad that missionaries have died but they died doing what they loved, the lords work, and they will be rewarded for that. Did you think maybe the stories arnt published for the sake of their families?? I am really sorry that you left the Church but i dont know one unhappy LDS so back off.
Hey Anon, why do you give a damn?!! You know your cult is true, the "only true cult on earth" in fact; so why would what little old me said about your cult, bother you, who holds the only truth on earth?
At this point, according to your Mormon cult, I'm doomed to hell, and will become a son of perdition, so again, I ask, why would you care? Do you live in the USA, where we have a constitution and free speech?
I guess you don't believe in free speech, unless it is you or your cult hierarchy doing the speaking and in most cases, lying.
You said:
You are going on and on about how bad it is.
Yeah, I do go "on and on", because what I'm saying is truth and it needs to be said and needs to be known by the world. I honestly don't give a damn if I reach people like you, that covenant and would literally die for their cult, rather those that are looking for truth and especially those that are investigating or will investigate the church one day with the missionaries.
I want to arm them with the truth, to counter the lies that the missionaries will be feeding them.
Why cant you let go. It is the truth of the gospel that continues to draw you back. It is an undeniable truth and you know it. That is why you cant let go.
Okay you TBM, Mormon loving cult member; you don't have the first clue about anything I do or why I do it, because you can only repeat what your pathetic cult Hierarchy puts in your head, like you are a parrot or something.
I can't "let go" because too many people are being hurt and too many families and relationships are being destroyed and ripped apart, in the name of the Mormon God and by their awful teachings of separation and bigotry.
What continues to draw me back everyday, is the literally thousands of Emails I've received, thanking me for what I'm doing and for helping them, through their difficult time of discovery, that Mormonism was a complete fraud. The truth? You wouldn't know "the truth" if it smacked you square on the ass, all day long. All you know is to bow your head and say yes.
The "undeniable truth", is that Mormonism is a great fraud, based on lies and corruption and driven by fear, since 1830, when the pedophile/child rapist/treasure digging fraud, got it all going. That is the "UNDENIABLE TRUTH!!" It is that "UNDENIABLE TRUTH', that keeps me coming back and motivates me, not your fairy tale, fantasyland version, that you've been taught, most likely since you were a baby
Yes it is sad that missionaries have died but they died doing what they loved, the lords work, and they will be rewarded for that.?
How do you know they were loving it? When I almost died on my mission, I was hating life and miserable. My mission was so damn full of corruption and politics, that I was just hanging on, and very excited for it to end.
If I had died at that point, I would most certainly would not have "died doing what I loved", but that would have been the cult spin put on it. Oh yeah, and "I was called to do missionary work on the other side", "God needed me more on the other side" and other ridiculous bullshit that people use just to try to justify why the death was necessary.
"They'll be rewarded for it?" How?!! Instant Celestial glory, instant Godhood and instant polygamous wives to populate their worlds without number? So, in other words, they had nothing left here to live for, that was worth anything? How are their families rewarded? They get "extra spirituality", "extra blessings" or mana or money just falls from heaven? I mean seriously, what are you smoking dude?
Did you think maybe the stories arnt published for the sake of their families??
Oh, okay, so the church isn't covering their own ass, by not announcing or discussing the death of their special, super protected missionaries, it is just because they want to spare the family additional pain, by NOT honoring the amazing sacrifice of their Son or Daughter? Are you even serious, or is your whole comment just a joke?
Oh yeah and they don't have a monument or Memoriam for their fallen missionaries either, because that would be way too painful for their families to see them honored in that way? I'm sure their families would rather just pretend that their fallen missionary never even existed, right? Use some common sense please!!
It couldn't be that they don't give a damn could it? Didn't Ballard say that they don't care who dies or gets injured in the future? Again, they don't care, because they don't want to cause the families any additional pain. You are seriously in the twilight cult zone!!
I am really sorry that you left the Church but i dont know one unhappy LDS so back off.
"You don't know one unhappy LDS?" Do you ever get out? Do you ever read? Do you ever study the history of Mormonism? Ever hear of Kip Eliason? Ever talk to the families of a deceased or very ill missionary? Ever talk to homosexual Mormons, who are cast out and condemned?
Ever talk to Black Mormons, who are still treated like 2nd class citizens and never given any high callings of Seventy or above. It has happened only once since 1978.
Ever talk to the victims of sexual abuse, because the Mormon church refuses to do background checks of their teachers and in some cases, have called convicted pedophiles to teach children, who then sexually abused the kids they taught?
Ever hear about the Seventy George P. Lee, who was excommunicated for sexually molesting a little girl over several years, right under the noses of the Prophet and 12 Apostles? Ever hear about the Stake President from Montana, that drove to Idaho, to have sex with 14 year old girl?
Did you hear about the recent choir member and also, the BYU professor, that were arrested for molesting children? Again, where was the inspiration? How about the convicted child abuser, that just wrote an article for the Ensign, Jesus' magazine? I can give you links for every single thing I'm saying, if you are truly interested in the truth.
Ever talk to someone that had to file for bankruptcy, because they were paying out thousands a year in tithing, to Mormon Inc, instead of paying their bills. Ever talk to anyone whose Bishop wouldn't help them, especially after promising that he would?
Need I go on? Again, you said; "i dont know one unhappy LDS so back off." Well, I'm not backing off, rather going forward stronger than ever and you really need to get out in the real world and leave "THE VILLAGE" you are living in, which is no better than NEVERNEVERLAND.
Good luck and best wishes, in your future cult endeavors and may you escape "The Island" and learn the truth.
Samuel
Hello, im 16, i have had a few lessons with some missionaries from the church and they are trying to get me to join their church. Can i ask you a question please???? Is polygamy still practiced in their religion. I read that that Joseph smith guy had like 20 wives or something. I think that is wrong, For a so called prophet. Is there any thing else i should know before i decide. My family dosent want to have anything to do with them.
Hey Anon(Saturday, November 11, 2006 3:05:05 AM)
Please drop me an Email as Samueltheutahnite@yahoo.com
Have the missionaries been pushing you pretty hard? Do they care if your Parents don't support this? Do they realize that you can't even get baptized without your Parents permission?
If you don't want a confrontation, just tell them that your Parents won't allow it and won't sign for you to get baptized.
Now, they do still believe in polygamy, strongly and believe that they will live it in the next life, because it is the "new great and everlasting covenant." All you have to do is read D&C 132 with the missionaries, to learn all about polygamy.
If you do read this with them, have them explain the part about "having sex with virgins is not adultery" and that "only men can do it, not women."
Also, have them explain the part about Jesus promising to destroy Emma(3-4 times) if she doesn't go along with Joe's adultery. She never agreed with it and was never destroyed. Why is that? It was Joseph that was killed, not Emma.
Now, here is something else you need to know, especially if you don't agree with polygamy.
Joe had AT LEAST 33 wives. Many of his wives were teenagers, as young as 14, when he was 37 or older. You can see most of his wives at the official Mormon Family History Website, including one of the 14 year olds, Helen Mar Kimball.
Official, documented Mormon Hierarchy records of Joe's many wives
Here is a link to 34 of his wives and some information about each one.
Now, like I said, he was married to at least 33 wives. He was married to at least 1, probably 2 14 year olds and several other teenagers/girls. He married other men's wives(9 of his first 12 polygamous wives, were already happily married).
Some of these women were also already pregnant from their husband when he married them. He would say that God called their husbands on missions and then marry them after their husbands were long gone on their "mission of God."
He married Mother/Daughter combos and sister combos, including 2 sisters that they took in as maids and were supposed to just take care off. Well, he married them of course, because God supposedly commanded it once again and probably threatened to kill him again with that homicidal angel.
Now keep in mind that most all of this, was behind Emma's back and in SECRET, thus the secrecy of the temples today and why families that aren't Mormon, can't even be there for the ceremony of their son or Daughter, which is tragic.
Mormonism is a religion of complete and total separation and contention, both in this life and the next, if all family members don't convert. It splinters and destroys families on a daily basis.
Joseph Smith also told many of the women, that he was told by God to Marry them and that if they didn't, that God would send down an angel with a flaming sword, to kill him.
He also promised many of the Parents of little girls, that they would have Eternal life for allowing him to marry their daughter. Clear and plain ministerial abuse to the highest degree.
Some of the Apostles of Joseph Smith, even married some 12 and 13 year olds. I haven't read any younger than that, but would it really surprise us if they married 10 year olds? Why not?
Here is a link to "In Sacred Loneliness, The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith", which was written by a current member of the church, who was never punished or disciplined.
In fact, you can buy the book at Deseret Bookstore, which I like to call "Jesus' one and only true bookstore." This all proves that the polygamy did indeed exist, or why would they sell the book and list his wives online.
Now, if you go for a visit to Joseph Smith.net(The official Mormon Church's website on the pedophile), you will only find one wife, Emma and it's all about the love the "two of them shared." This proves the deceit and lies of Mormonism and why nobody should ever join this damn cult!! This is all just the very tip of the iceberg, of the skeletons in their closet.
Now Anon, I hope this helped and I have links and proof of everything I've mentioned if you need them and many more things that completely debunk Mormonism to its core. My advice is to follow your Parents advice, because you can't join without their signature. If they say no, then don't do it!! They probably already have it all figured out and know that it's just a cult.
If you want to know more, drop me a line or I'd be glad to talk with your Parents about these issues and inform them of everything I just informed you of. In fact, just have them read this comment, if you want them to know everything I just mentioned or get in touch with me.
Take care now and best of luck,
Samuel
Hello again, thank you for all that information, i tried to ask the missionaries about it but they just blew off my question. What do they actually do in temples. i asked them why it was a secret and they said that it wasnt it was just too sacred to talk about outside the temple. My parents dont care if i join or not, they let me make all my own decisions but they dont agree with it. They keep telling me i need to get baptised asap cause it is the latter days and Christ will be returning soon. They are from America and are finishing their mission soon (im from Australia) and they are telling me that they want to see me baptised before they go... But i dont think i want too. But i dont want to be rude, They call me every day. Oh and i have another question, did the Church used to refuse the priesthood to black people. Thankyou heaps and take care.
Karly
After a person has been excommunicated from a church for moral or criminal behaviour, guilt can force the person to denounce what they once thought they believed. And the struggle to not believe takes effort.
If you are looking for truth, don't look on conspiracy blog sites. Just like the disgruntled employee hates everything about his former employer so to will the excommunicated.
One should really research the 1800's way of life compared to current day living. Things might make a little more sense.
Best Regards!
After a person has been excommunicated from a church for moral or criminal behaviour, guilt can force the person to denounce what they once thought they believed. And the struggle to not believe takes effort.
If you are looking for truth, don't look on conspiracy blog sites. Just like the disgruntled employee hates everything about his former employer so to will the excommunicated.
One should really research the 1800's way of life compared to current day living. Things might make a little more sense.
Best Regards!
Just to correct the arrogant, Mormon asshole that left the last comment; he has no idea who I am, knows nothing about me and in fact, doesn't realize that I'm still a member on the records of the church, with a perfectly clean record to boot.
I've never been excommunicated from the Mormon church for "moral or criminal behavior" or anything else. I was a die-hard believer up until about 20 months ago.
Also, I have never felt any "guilt" that "forced me to denounce what I once thought I believed" and it has not been a "struggle to not believe", that "takes effort."
To the contrary, it has been wonderful to be able to free my mind, thoughts and feelings that were so intertwined with Mormonism, since that's who I was. Like they always proudly say, "it's not a religion, rather who we are and a lifestyle." Amen to that!!
I may have lost friends and family during this process, for simply asking basic questions(they don't even know about my blogs, podcasts and videos), which led to my banning from their lives. Die-hard true-believers can't tolerate even one question that is negative about their beloved "one and only true church", or Mormon God forbid; their "Praise To The Man", "greater than Jesus and God" Prophet of fraud, Joseph Smith.
I was a die-hard Mormon cult member, deeply indoctrinated from birth and now I'm free to express myself openly and explore anything and everything outside of that "little Mormon box of bullshit and fairly tales." I no longer have to bow my head in obedience to other fraudulent men/cult leaders.
If I just paid my tithing and told my Bishop how much I want to kiss Joe and Gordy's asses, I could get another pass back to "Joe's little house of horrors", within a few months.
If you really want the truth about a cult, are you going to ask an indoctrinated, brainwashed cult member, or someone that has escaped the cult? If I want to know what the Moonies believe, am I gonna go talk to the current Moonie leaders?
Would I have gone and asked David Koresh what the Branch Davidians believed? In the case of cults, which Mormonism clearly is; the worst place you could ever go for info or "THE TRUTH", would be the cult itself. They are in the business of religion and will lie and say whatever it takes to suck people in, since that's what they do. Just look at Gordy and all the lies he has told and tells and all of the horrible things Joe did, in the name of his God; they are clearly not the ones you would go to.
Joe lied about being a polygamist until the day he died. People did ask him, accused him of it and he lied and denied it every time and even called them perjurers and then had his mob destroy a printing press that was telling the truth about his deviant and perverted ways!!
Oh yeah and there was never a time when adultery and pedophilia were acceptable in the name of God!!
Amazing isn't it, how these supposed great people, that go through "Jesus' holy house", and church every Sunday, are the ones condemning me and bearing false witness? Now, go bow your head and say yes JACKASS!!
Samuel
I just wanted to say that I'm a very close personal friend of Matthew's family and had known him since he was 8 years old. He would have been so saddened to see that you were keeping track of where the story of his death "ranks" on the LDS website. Who cares? All that matters is that he was a faithful and devoted servant of the Lord and loved his mission with every bit of his heart. Please don't lose sight of what is really important.
By the way, I don't know if that second picture is supposed to me of him but that's not him.
Sir, first off i feel stupid for even responding to your sad attempt to disprove the mormon chruch. and its even sadder to see you exploit matthew. i don’t know why you feel you have the right to even bring it up. it disgusts me.
i have been blessed to know his sister for just a short time and im absolutely appalled you use this as an argument to disprove the mormon faith. if she read this it would break her heart. she loves him and misses him so much still. what you are doing is dispicable.
i'll tell you this though, his family loves him and they know they will be with him again one day and they all remain faithful to their beliefs...they didnt just give up like you when things got hard and didnt go their way. they didnt blame God for their problems as you did.
and by the way when he died i was living in a state about 2000 miles away, my parents were in AZ. he was honored and mentioned in both places, we were asked to pray for his family. so dont make it seem like the church doesnt care about its missionaries. they do.
Christ loves all of us sir, non-mormon, mormon, muslim, jew etc. mormons don’t put themselves above any one religion. your intention is clear but what you are doing is not anything Christ would do because hate is not an attribute of him. i feel sad for you and anyone else who believes anything on this site.
those who want to learn about this church need only find a missionary like matthew, not a person who would use the death of a young man so many love and still miss to spread lies about a faith that does much good in this world, as do many other religions.
he literally gave his life doing what he truly thought was right, serving God and Jesus. He volunteered to do this as have thousands of other mormon men and woman. He was not paid or forced to go, he wanted to. He knew the dangers as we all did. He left his great family and good life to go to a third world country to teach others about Christ. He sacrificed a lot. and what have you sacrificed sir? well you're still alive so it wasnt as much as matthew. people like you are the reason there is so much hate and turmoil in this world. i am sorry you have so much hate towards mormons it must be exhausting.
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