Thursday, March 23, 2006

Spencer W. Kimball, Former Mormon Prophet, Openly Mocks The Temple And Renders It's Purpose Useless, With His Tirade!! Unbelievable!! What A Fool!!


A while back, as I was surfing the Mormon cult's website, as I often do, I came across yet another jaw dropping stunner. This is the reason that I keep researching and looking. Even when you think that you've found and seen it all, you find 3 more. One thing that I know for sure, is that I'll never, EVER, run out of material to roast these clowns with.

It's amazing, that old saying about, "if you give someone enough rope, they'll hang themselves", well, it's absolutely true with the Mormon cult. The funny thing is that they give themselves the rope and then hang themselves with their own rope. They may try or even claim to run a tight ship but the reality is, that it is a ship in complete chaos and the left hand doesn't even know where the right hand is, which is extremely dangerous if you are Spencer W. Kimball and believe that masturbation leads to the Gross sin of homosexuality. In short, the ship is sinking, BIG TIME!!

What's also so funny, is that everyone says, "well, back in 'those days', or 'in that time', it was okay to say this crap", but the problem is that now, it isn't okay(it wasn't okay then either by the way) and they haven't removed them yet. I would say that the person in charge of what goes on their website, will probably be fired, but if it was up to me, I'd give him/her, a promotion.

Whoever they are, they make my job and what I do, much easier and more enjoyable. I owe you a big, huge thanks!! It feels so good to expose this fraud to the whole world using their own pathetic words, quotes, talks, etc. So, let's stop TBMing around and get to what Kimball said.....LOL!! I'm not gonna start with a quote that shocked me the most, but with another part that just amazed me and pissed me off. So, what do you say, let's get this party started!!

Here is the talk:

First Presidency Message-The Marriage Decision
By President Spencer W. Kimball

From an address given at the Stockholm, Sweden, Area Conference August, 1974
Spencer W. Kimball, “The Marriage Decision,” Ensign, Feb. 1975, 2

"Recently I met a young returned missionary who is 35 years old. He had been home from his mission for 14 years and yet he was little concerned about his bachelorhood, and laughed about it.

I shall feel sorry for this young man when the day comes that he faces the Great Judge at the throne and when the Lord asks this boy: “Where is your wife?” All of his excuses which he gave to his fellows on earth will seem very light and senseless when he answers the Judge. “I was very busy,” or “I felt I should get my education first,” or “I did not find the right girl”—such answers will be hollow and of little avail. He knew he was commanded to find a wife and marry her and make her happy. He knew it was his duty to become the father of children and provide a rich, full life for them as they grew up. He knew all this, yet postponed his responsibility. So we say to all youth regardless of what country is your home, and regardless of the customs in your country, your Heavenly Father expects you to marry for eternity and rear a good, strong family.

The Lord planned that men and women would find each other and have a happy family relationship, be true to each other, and remain clean and worthy."
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Wow!! What a nice guy!! Like he had any right to condemn this guy who wasn't married yet. What was he supposed to do, cry about it? Why not laugh, like Steve Young did, when he was 35 and not married, quoting his Great Grandpa Brigham, who said that unmarried men his age, "where a menace to society?" These are exactly the type of stereotypes the Church perpetuates, that make people feel worthless, lonely and like their life is over and they nothing worth living for.

Words like these, can cause people to go into depression, due to their perceived failure, by the man they revere as Prophet, Seer and Revelator. The Mormon Church is great at laying down the law and guilt trips, just like Kimball did above. It is disgraceful!! Whenever a person meets the right person and decides to get married, is their personal business, not for some old man or cult to decide, especially when both of them are completely out of touch with all reality and twisted.

The Mormon Church wants to control every aspect of every members life, right down to what underwear they should wear; but only with the cult's approval of course. They tell them when they are worthy enough to wear the cult underwear and when they should remove it. Now, if this isn't control, power and a cult, I don't know what is. Also,if someone is asked to remove the magic underwear, the cult keeps them hoping and praying for the day that they can put that magic underwear back on, with permission of course. Amazing isn't it, when a person can't even choose, on their own, what underwear to wear and when to wear it? Even the military allows you to pick out your own underwear, damn!!

Now, here was the other part of this talk, where Kimball renders their multi-million dollar temple structures meaningless, proving that they are a complete fraud, while spending billions of dollars to build temples that essentially "MOCK GOD":

As we talk about marriage, we remember, as Luke says:

“Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24.)

Only through celestial marriage can one find the straight way, the narrow path. Eternal life cannot be had in any other way. The Lord was very specific and very definite in the matter of marriage. He said:

“For this is a day of warning, and not a day of many words. For I, the Lord, am not to be mocked in the last days.” (D&C 63:58.)

The scriptures say that “God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.” (Matt. 22:32.)

There are no dead except those who have chosen to be dead as to the law, dead as to the benefits, dead as to the blessings, dead as to the eternal nature of the gift.

In our own day there are many people who form their own conclusions and do their own rationalizing and calculate and evaluate and develop their own opinions and “kick against the pricks,” and close the door to their own opportunities.

Some time ago, in deep anguish, a mother came to see me. She was left alone. Her son and his wife met with an accident, leaving several small children. She came with many regrets and told me that the young victims of a plane crash had not been married in the temple. Both coming from good families, they had either ignored it or postponed it. They had lived the majority of their lifetime on the earth and still had not had this ordinance performed. This accident left them separated. The statement “till death do you part” left them single and their children orphans.

Of course, someone can have the work done in the
temple for these young people after they have been dead a year, but will those young people accept the ordinances in death which were of such little consequence to them while they lived? And, more important than all else, do you think that God would be thusly mocked? He is the God of the living and not of the dead. He identified this ordinance as one to be
done by the living themselves.

Have you ever realized that there is no magic in death, that ceasing to breathe does not make angels of careless people, does not make believers of disbelievers, does not bring faith where there was skepticism?


Have you ever studied carefully the parable of the ten virgins? Those who had prepared themselves for the blessings promised were ready, and those who were unprepared were cast out. Procrastination is a veritable thief.

In the early days of the restored Church the Lord said much that should have been warning to the readers of the scriptures, but since they did not understand, the voice of the Lord came again.

Remember the Lord said:

“… If a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word … then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.” (D&C 132:18.)

The Lord makes clear that even the rewards to the angels are secondary to and inferior to the blessings of those “who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.” (D&C 132:16.)

The Lord promises much to you young people who take care of this marriage in a proper way. He says:

“… And they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads. …” (D&C 132:19.)

Now this is not a matter of opinion; it matters little what you or l should think or argue. These are facts; the judges at the gates will know for certain the records, the spirit, and the true record. The Book of Life (See Rev. 20:12) will show the earthly activities of all of us.

I have repeated the provisions and the restrictions and the glories and the benefits, because we are all inclined to let them pass our notice like water down the river, but the Lord has repeated over and over as his message of the revelation came to Joseph Smith over and over, and as we read the scriptures over and over. He says:

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.” (D&C 132:21.) Can anything be more forthright and unequivocal than that? There is no room for argument or quibbling.

The Marriage Decision
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Amazing, isn't it? Will God be thusly mocked? Will God be thusly mocked in that someone can do the temple work for someone that didn't give a rip in this life and expect them to be okay on the other side? Also, as Kimball says, I guess I am guilty of forming my own opinion and "KICKING AGAINST THE PRICKS!!" I guess that Kimball didn't realize that he was actually referring to himself and the Mormon Hierarchy with that comment?!!


WOW!! I guess the whole necessity and concept of temples just went out the window, didn't it? I guess Kimball felt justified in completely judging this couple and must have been transfigured into Jesus Christ or something. I find these statements jaw dropping in what they reveal about the worthlessness of Mormon Temple endowments for the dead, as well as Baptisms for the dead and every single thing that goes on in their temples/palaces.

Let me just repeat again, what Kimball so boldly said, so that there can be no misunderstanding: "someone can have the work done in the temple for these young people after they have been dead a year, but will those young people accept the ordinances in death which were of such little consequence to them while they lived? And, more important than all else, do you think that God would be thusly mocked? He is the God of the living and not of the dead. He identified this ordinance as one to be done by the living themselves."

So, if what Kimball says is true, that God is the God of the living and not of the dead, that God will not be thusly mocked by this couple or anyone like them and he is pretty sure that this couple will continue on believing that these ordinances done for them in the temple, have little consequence to them, since they treated them that way in their mortal lives; then what the hell is the purpose of the temple? Why even bother? Why mock God?

Why spend billions of dollars building worthless temples that merely MOCK GOD? Why continue doing worthless ordinances for Mormons that have died, that didn't do them while they were living, since, he said, "that God identified this ordinance as one to be done by the living themselves." Isn't this just amazing?!!

Aren't Mormons violating the opinion of a former Prophet by doing these ordinances for these people who don't even care one whit about them? After all, Hinckley simple stated that 1 earring in each ear should suffice and now that is a commandment, right? Just ask David Bednar who suggests ending relationships over the earring commandment. So, what are we to make of the equally simple statements of Kimball? Wouldn't they also constitute a commandment, especially since they involve the temple, the Lord's holiest house? Are earrings more important than MOCKING the MORMON GOD in the holy temple of the Lord?

The conclusion that I come to, after reading these words of Kimball, is that temples are only for Never-Mormons that have died I guess, who never had the chance to do these ordinances for themselves, while living. I'm sure the Mormon God is still on the verge of being mocked, even by them, right? What a joke!!

Also, don't give me this BS that he was just speaking as man in that situation, or just giving his opinion, etc. This speech was given in an Area Conference, in Stockholm, Sweden, in August of 1974 and he was the Prophet of God at the time, ruling over God's one and only true Kingdom and Church on earth. Also, this talk, in all it's glory, is currently on Jesus' personal website and it also appeared in Jesus' personal magazine, The Ensign, in Feb 1975. These men, former and current Prophets, have contradicted each other so many times, all the way back to Joe, that it's Beyond ridiculous.


So, Unless the Mormon Church has officially retracted a statement, teaching or doctrine, they all stand, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. It doesn't matter if it was said in 1852 in The Journal of Discourses, or said yesterday by someone. There should never be a time when Mormon General Authorities contradict each other, especially Prophets and Apostles, EVER!! Supposedly, God will not allow it.

You TBMS really can't see all of the inconsistencies? REALLY?!!

Let's just remember what Ezra Taft Benson said in the 14 Fundamentals talk(He was an Apostle at the time):

In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.

2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.

3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.

4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.

5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.

6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.

7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.

8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.

9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.

10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.

11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.

12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.

13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.

14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

May God bless us all to look to the Prophet and the Presidency in the critical and crucial days ahead is my prayer.

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Mormons, I'd say you've got big problems, all over the place and some of you are in deep, deep denial about them. It's obvious that if you don't want to look at these things with an open mind, then it's all moot.

In this post, I haven't even gotten into Hinckley's lies and deceptions, that would cause one to have to entirely throw Benson's talk out the window. You can't believe what Benson said above and believe that Kimball, Hinckley, Young or even Joseph Smith are true Prophets. Based on their lies, contradictions and deceptions, it is impossible. Hinckley is a huge Prophet of deception and fraud.


If Joseph Smith had been a true Prophet, called of God, the second that he married and had sex with a 14 year old, as a 37 year old man, God would have zapped him instantly, right? Of course, according to Joe, it was commanded of God and God even sent his angel, with a flaming sword, to slay him, if he didn't become a pedophile polygamist. So, there you have it, God not only encourage pedophilia in the 1830's and 1840's, rather he COMMANDED PEDOPHILIA. I hope that I never meet that sick, twisted and perverted God!!

In any case, lets rest assure that God will handle it(NOT!!) if one of these men get out of line at any point, according to Mormon folklore. Allow me to quote Wilford Woodruff from Declaration 1 in the D&C:

"The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty."

Official Declaration 1

So, what's going on? If what he says is true, why hasn't and isn't God taking these clowns out one by one, when they "attempt to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty." Does Wilford mean that they will live to a ripe old age of 95 or more and then die of natural causes? It appears that Prophets leading people astray, is "in the programme", and that "it is the mind of God." Again, I ask, why isn't God "removing them out of their place and permitting them to lead you astray."

Uh maybe because they aren't men of God? Ya think? Wake up people!!

For further reading, if you haven't had enough, I supply you the following link on whether the Mormon Church has ever officially taught that God was once a man and how Hinckley has lied about it on numerous occasions. OOPS!!
Gordon B. Hinckley's Lies About "God Never Once Being A Man!!"

Thanks everyone for reading my blog and listening to my podcasts and there is much more to come.


Samuel the Utahnite

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8 Comments:

At Tuesday, July 11, 2006 1:42:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you - I hadn ever heard of / read that talk by President Kimball. I thank you for posting it, it strengthened my faith in the temple ceremony and why it's important to take the matters of God seriously in this life, and not procrastinate the day of our repentence. I'm not sure how you got what you did out of the talk, but I guess that everyone understand things differently based on life experiences ...

 
At Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:01:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can you let the Elder Bednar thing go? You know the ear ring thing... like anyway...

this is crazy man, anyway...
off you remove my second ear ring..

anyway,

 
At Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey there,

just a guess but mormons (most, of course not all) reading this makes them stronger in their faith, and those who don't want to believe it might strengthen there resolve to leave or not join. so probably not an effective site, not just because your reading comprehension is clearly low.

I found it interesting that you feel that you should be paid by for your comments for you copying copywrited material. That is illegal. For someone who is concerned with being wronged by them, how is it truly ethical of you to infringe copywrited material for commercail gain? Just seems to me that one in your postion might not be in the position to fight in court copywrite fraud judging by your writing skills. It could finacailly ruin someone.

"Judge, you see I just don't believe it anymore" Doesn't really hold water. Just a casual observation.

Cheers,

RGR


PS find any religion where there's no "holes" to poke through. If you find out, please email me at branash_711@hotmail.com

 
At Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:03:00 AM, Blogger Samuel the Utahnite said...

What copyrighted material are you talking about and are you prepared to come get me? I'll be waiting RGR, bring it on man!! I'm guessing you aren't too familiar with copyright laws at all and speak as a complete ignoramus?

"Fair use" provisions in the Copyright Law of the United States of America, Title 17, section 117.

It(Title 17, section 117) states, "Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use38

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

It states the following: "Criticism, comment, news reporting, research, scholarship and non-profit educational uses are most likely to be judged fair uses." Also, "As a general rule, if you are using a small portion of somebody else's work in a non-competitive way and the purpose for your use is to benefit the public, you're on pretty safe ground."

I guess I'll see you in court pal and I can't wait. I come from a family of Lawyers, who look very forward to representing me, if the need arises and it will be a complete PR disaster for the Mormon cult. Like I said, I can't wait for the showdown....bring it on punk!!

Oh and my writing style? You don't like it? Well, good, because you don't have to read it!!

Also, I ask for voluntary donations, for anyone that wants to freely contribute, that I've personally helped and I'm not "getting paid" as you put it for "copying 'copywrited' material."(Learn how to spell what you are talking about, so that you don't look like an idiot)

"Just seems to me that one in your postion(Good God, it's position, not postion, you freaking Mor(m)on) might not be in the position to fight in court copywrite fraud 'judging by your writing skills'"....LMAO!!(Ever heard of a comma or how to spell, you dumbass?!!)

Maybe once you learn how to use punctuation and to spell, you won't look so stupid and will be taken more seriously when attacking and threatening others. Ever heard of a spell checker? I mean you say that I'm stupid because of how I write, while making a complete ass out of yourself, with what you write?

I also offer the 1830 Book of Mormon for every donation of $25 and guess what fool? The 1830 Book of Mormon isn't protected by copyright laws, so get a clue and get a life!!

Please contact me soon, I'm ready and I can't wait to begin an open and very public battle with the Mormon cult and get it all out in the open, for all to hear!! Imagine the great posts I'll be able to write on my blog, giving daily updates to the world of what is happening....let the games begin!!

Warmest regards,

Samuel

 
At Thursday, October 19, 2006 6:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just wanted to say thanks for posting this and other LDS talks. Of course, have to skip through the venomous bile that apparantly passes for informed comment - but still it's a good resource.

Keep up the good work!

Nathan W.
UK

PS - Considered moving away from Utah? I think the change of scenery would do you good.

 
At Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:49:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't see the same thing you're obviously seeing with this talk by Spencer Kimball.
When I first read it, I interpreted it as him saying in his opinion, if someone isn't going to accept something here on this earth, then the chances of them accepting it in the next life--if there is one--is slim.
That seems reasonable to me. And I still see the talk that way.
And about the Gordon Hinckley clip as he was speaking to the missionaries. GET OVER IT!! There are some things in life called JOKES. Sheesh, if you're gonna be that sensitive then I guess you'll need someone to follow you around and wipe your little bum every time someone makes a joke that might hurt your poor little feelings.
What I find pathetic is not the Mormons or religions, but overly sensitive people like yourself that no doubt would find sinister intentions in the most innocent of people no matter what.

 
At Tuesday, October 23, 2007 12:44:00 AM, Anonymous Jess said...

Hi there. I have to say your blog is interesting...but it seems you have a lot of wasted energy goin' on. You seem like a good person, so why would you want to bring down other people's beliefs. I mean, yeah, I read in the right margin that you were a mormon once upon a time, but the fact of life is is that every religion has flaws you could highlight...that's religion for ya! But you know, if there is anything I believe in its tolerance. Like, I'm not saying you aren't right in what your saying...but I think people should decide for themselves what is good for them....and your page is very negative. My suggestion, take it for what you will, is to write about something that you've found...be it another relgion, a way of life, something that inspires you to live life to the fullest! Me? My religion is yoga and harry potter....In shourt, if you want to "Save" people from that terrible fate of being a mormon or whatever, write about something that will actually make them find a way of living that works! Your Awesome, and dispite the negativity vibe you have goin' on you have some valid arguements in my book. Cheers!

 
At Thursday, February 21, 2008 11:59:00 PM, Blogger chris&kristin said...

hey you went to argentina. what years? which mission? i was there from april 1999 to february 2001. elder daniels. buenos aires norte.

 

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