Gordon B. Hinckley's Lie About "God Never Once Being A Man", Is Revealed Again, In Last Months Mormon Ensign. Wake Up World And Smell The Fraud!!
You know, it's a funny thing when you are a born liar (for the Lord of course), leader of a Billion dollar cult and then lie to the world. How exactly, did Hinckley think that he would get out of this one, which was so blatant and obvious? Anyone can simply look it up in Church History or on LDS.org and most people had been taught for their whole life, in the Church, that God was once a man like us.
Those of us that served missions, especially, absolutely knew this. So is Hinckley just stupid or highly arrogant(I'd say a little of both) and figured that he would invoke Ezra Taft Benson's line in the "14 fundamentals in following the Prophet", when he claims, "The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet and The prophet will never lead the church astray."
Yeah, okay, but there's a problem sir, you are directly contradicting the founder of your religion and several other Prophets and even yourself from previous speeches. OOPS!! But it doesn't matter, because an alive Hinckley, is more important than a dead Joseph Smith, and he can't lead us astray, right? After all, as Wilford Woodruff says in The Declaration 1, in the back of the D&C, God would remove him or anyone that was leading the Saints astray.
Well, The Hinckster is 95 now and still kicking around, so I guess God didn't remove him, especially since he said this crap like 8 years ago. OOPS again, so much for God stepping in, as they promise he will. Maybe the Mormon God has been playing too much Golf on Kolob with Joseph, Moses, Abraham and Briggy baby, to give a damn.
Wow, the mental gymnastics that you must do everyday to understand the basic teachings of Mormonism and what you must have to do to make it all make sense. Now, for those of you who would like to read those EXACT words of Joseph Smith again verses the exact words of Gordo, you are in luck. In just a minute, we are gonna do a very thorough review of exactly what the Prophet of fraud had to say regarding this subject, verses what sloppy Joe had to say and I think you'll see a tad bit of difference.
So, we have to assume that the head of the Cult(Church), as listed in the front of the magazine, Gordo Hinckster himself, is the author, or at least approved the contents. However, since he has been ill and in the hospital, maybe Tommy Boy(I didn't contribute to a little boys suicide) Monson approved it or possibly James (I brag about robbing gold fillings from the poor) Faust or maybe even Boyd KKK(Don't fondle your Little factory, Gays aren't born that way and Caucasians should marry Caucasians) Packer gave the approval. It doesn't really matter. Strangely, there is no author, but it is in their magazine and is Church doctrine, so it stands as official.
Now, this is what is said on page 51:
The Nature of Man
Not only do we know that God possesses a glorified body of flesh and bones, but from this restored understanding of the nature of God flows the Latter-day Saint belief regarding our nature and potential. The Prophet Joseph Smith once taught: “It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, … and that He was once a man like us. … When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the gospel—you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil before you will have learned them.”
Fascinating, isn't it? The January Ensign clearly and outrightly contradicts Hinckley's answers to whether God was once a man, that he gave in interview after interview. Also, maybe they took this chance when he was ill, to slip something in to set the record straight, as they've been on damage control every since Hinckley embarrassed himself and his cult by outright lying.
If you notice above, it even points out that God himself, had to "begin at the bottom, just like everyone else and ascend step by step, until he arrived at the top." And Mormons wonder why they aren't considered to be Christians? Gee, what could it be? Could this be why Hinckley denied this clear teaching on national TV? Hard to be mainstream when your core beliefs are crap like this, isn't it?
Also, one other very interesting point, is that in the Newsweek article on Mormonism, back in October of 2005, on page 60, also claimed that God was once a man, by using the so called "Hinckley couplet" from Lorenzo Snow. Now, the Church praised this article, thanked Newsweek for writing it, bragged about it and even linked to it from their website and still do. I also wrote my extensive review of this article which is the first opinion listed under bloggers on the page that I linked to above, or you can read it here. I also did a post regarding Simon Southerton's opinion of the Newsweek article and my response back, for those that are interested and haven't read them yet.
So, once again, the Newsweek article was a complete 100% contradiction of what Hinckley had said in his interviews.This is what was said in Newsweek:
Smith taught that humans (who were spirits in a "pre-existence") come to earth to get a body and to be tested. After death, everyone is placed into one of three kingdoms, depending on his level of righteousness. Those in the highest degree will dwell with God, their families will be eternal and they'll even become gods themselves—as God did. Lorenzo Snow, fifth LDS prophet, articulated doctrine when he said, "As man is, God once was; as God is, man may be."
So, now that we are very crystal clear that Mormons believe that God was once a man, in an endorsed, nationwide article, plus the latest Ensign it's time to take that walk down memory lane. First let me present you with the awe inspiring comments by the Prophet of fraud himself, Gordo B. Hinckster.
San Francisco Chronicle
13 March 1997
Q: There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormons believe that God was once a man?
A: I wouldn't say that. There was a little couplet coined, ``As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'' Now that's more of a couplet than anything else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we don't know very much about.
Q: So you're saying the church is still struggling to understand this?
A: Well, as God is, man may become. We believe in eternal progression. Very strongly. We believe that the glory of God is intelligence and whatever principle of intelligence we attain unto in this life, it will rise with us in the Resurrection. Knowledge, learning, is an eternal thing. And for that reason, we stress education. We're trying to do all we can to make of our people the ablest, best, brightest people that we can.
ROAD TO SALVATION-PBS
JULY 18, 1997
REV. THOMAS TAYLOR: The Bible says in the Book of John, Chapter 4, God is spirit. But the Mormons say that God is flesh and bone. You get a picture of God that is progressing. So you see that man is made of the same stuff, as it were, as God is; and that man is progressing toward deityhood, and God once was like man. So this is a very different picture of Christianity.
RICHARD OSTLING: President Gordon Hinckley says the concept of God having been a man is not stressed any longer, but he does believe that human beings can become gods in the afterlife.
PRESIDENT GORDON HINCKLEY: Well, they can achieve to a godly status, yes, of course they can, eternal progression. We believe in the progression of the human soul. Ours is a forward-looking religion. It’s an upward-looking religion. We believe in the eternity and the infinity of the human soul, and its great possibilities.
TIME MAGAZINE AUGUST 4, 1997 VOL. 150 NO. 5
SALT LAKE CITY WAS JUST FOR STARTERS
The Mormons' True Great Trek Has Been To Social Acceptance And A $30 Billion Church Empire
Mormons reject the label polytheistic pinned on them by other Christians; they believe that humans deal with only one God. Yet they allow for other deities presiding over other worlds. Smith stated that God was once a humanlike being who had a wife and in fact still has a body of "flesh and bones." Mormons also believe that men, in a process known as deification, may become God-like. Lorenzo Snow, an early President and Prophet, famously aphorized, "As man is now, God once was; as God now is, man may become." Mormonism excludes original sin, whose expiation most Christians understand as Christ's great gift to humankind in dying on the Cross.
.....And not just the converts. In an interview with TIME, President Hinckley seemed intent on downplaying his faith's distinctiveness. The church's message, he explained, "is a message of Christ. Our church is Christ-centered. He's our leader. He's our head. His name is the name of our church." At first, Hinckley seemed to qualify the idea that men could become gods, suggesting that "it's of course an ideal. It's a hope for a wishful thing," but later affirmed that "yes, of course they can." (He added that women could too, "as companions to their husbands. They can't conceive a king without a queen.") On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain, "I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it... I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."
Okay, now that I've shown you clearly, what Hinckley has said in these interviews, denying that God was once a man like us, and that he, nor anybody, knows much about it, that it's "pretty deep theology"(Even for a supposed Prophet of God), let me share with you exactly what the Prophet Joseph Smith taught. This proves that Hinckley is a liar and deceiver of the world. These teachings are included in The History of the Church volume 6:
Joseph Smith's King Follet Sermon(as printed in History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 302-317)
God An Exalted Man
I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man.
God himself was Once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.
In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.
These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.
So there you go, in review, on whether God was once a man, Hinckley says:
"I wouldn't say that" and "I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it... I understand the philosophical background behind it, but I don't know a lot about it, and I don't think others know a lot about it."
Joseph Smith says:
"God himself was Once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret and He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.
So, who's lying and leading astray? Hinckley or Joseph Smith, the founder? Hinckley said this, regarding Joseph Smith:
San Francisco Chronicle
13 March 1997
Q: And this belief in contemporary revelation and prophecy? As the prophet, tell us how that works. How do you receive divine revelation? What does it feel like?
A: Let me say first that we have a great body of revelation, the vast majority of which came from the prophet Joseph Smith. We don't need much revelation. We need to pay more attention to the revelation we've already received.
Now, if a problem should arise on which we don't have an answer, we pray about it, we may fast about it, and it comes. Quietly. Usually no voice of any kind, but just a perception in the mind. I liken it to Elijah's experience. When he sought the Lord, there was a great wind, and the Lord was not in the wind. And there was an earthquake, and the Lord was not in the earthquake. And a fire, and the Lord was not in the fire. But in a still, small voice. Now that's the way it works.
So, if Hinckley doesn't know or says that something isn't true, which just so happens to be something that Joseph Smith taught as absolute fact and that "the vast majority of which(Revelation) came from the prophet Joseph Smith" and then President Benson teaches, "The prophet will never lead the church astray", They have a big problem don't they?
Then in review, Wilford Woodruff taught,"The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty."
Also, once again, current Apostle M. Russell Ballard taught, "We will not lead you astray. We cannot."
Then Benson also taught, "The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet and The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I would say that YOU have a big problem Mormon Hierarchy!! As you can clearly see, we have complete chaos and contradictions flying everywhere. We are supposed to listen to Hinckley, as if he's infallible and that God will remove him if he tries to lead us astray, yet he is leading the Saints astray, as I've clearly pointed out and nothing happens.
So, Hinckley is more important than a "dead Prophet" including Joseph Smith, but he claims that most of our revelations, that we need, came from Joseph Smith, a "dead Prophet" and not from current Prophets and that future or current revelations, aren't really even needed. So, which is it folks? Does the Mormon Church even need Hinckley, if it's really all about Joseph Smith, like he admits it is. What good is Hinckley then? What purpose does he serve, if he really doesn't even receive revelation, because they already have all that they need?
Anyway, these facts threw me into complete mental and spiritual chaos and played a huge role in my loss of Mormon faith and exiting the Church. Everything else that I list in this blog, or discuss on my podcast, just further confirmed and compounded what I pretty much had already figured out and put more nails in my Mormon faith coffin.
If this is God's one and only true Church on earth, run by men inspired of God, 100% of the time and infallible men at that, I would say that the Mormon God would have to be very screwed up. Either God has been on vacation for 176 years or the Mormon Church is a complete fraud, you decide!!
Here is another post that I wrote, with some great info on whether or not Gordon B. Hinckley has ever lied.
So do Mormons teach and believe that God was once a man, just like us and had to climb that ladder to get where he is at? Yes they do, absolutely. Does the current Mormon Prophet believe these teachings? No he doesn't, and claims to know very little about them, in fact, he denies them outright.
So, I would said that if I was still an active Mormon, I would consider Gordon B. Hinckley, to be an Apostate, a fallen Prophet, who is spreading false doctrine around the world and who would then deserve to be excommunicated. After all, according to the Church Handbook of Instructions, Apostates, like Hinckley, that spread false doctrine and lies, are more dangerous than known "predators."
So, when are they gonna have that "court of love" to excommunicate Gordon B. Hinckley, the Prophet of fraud? After all, it clearly states, under "When a Disciplinary Council Is Mandatory:"
As used here, apostasy refers to members who:
1. Repeatedly act in clear, open, and deliberate public opposition to the Church or its leaders.
2. Persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after they have been corrected by their bishops or higher authority
3. Continue to follow the teachings of apostate sects (such as those that advocate plural marriage) after being corrected by their bishop or higher authority.
In such cases, excommunication may be necessary if repentance is not evident after counseling and encouragement.
Priesthood leaders must take disciplinary action against apostates to protect Church members. The Savior taught the Nephites that they should continue to minister to a transgressor, but "if he repent not he shall not be numbered among my people, that he may not destroy my people" (3 Nephi 18:31; see also Mosiah 26:36).
So, again, I ask the simple question, when will Hinckley be called into his "court of love" and be excommunicated for "teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine?" Of course, when you are the big cheese and you actually answer to nobody and are accountable to nobody, but the invisible, non-existent Mormon God, the jokes on us. So I guess that would explain why he has been able to do what he has done, without being excommunicated, while laughing all the way to the bank and his malls, luxury resorts....etc.
He has all the keys, right? So nobody can take them away but the mysterious Mormon God, who screws up and changes his mind, more than anybody. Hinckley answers to nobody!!
So, hey, you TBMS out there, you pathetic Mormon Apologists, like Wade Englund, Daniel C. Peterson(FARMS), Jeff Lindsey, John Lynch(FAIR) and many others, like Bookslinger for one, show me where I'm wrong and help us understand what Hinckley was "REALLY SAYING" in your warped, twilight zone world of Mormonism. I'm sure that you can clear this up for us and we are just all confused and mistaken...LOL!!! Help us see the light of Kolob please!! Oh yeah, and good luck!! You might need to stick that seer stone in a hat like Joseph did, to help you out on this one...LOL!!
Oh yeah, and HAPPY VALENTINES DAY EVERYONE whether you are with that loved one or on your own!! If you are reading my blog, I'm guessing that you are not with that loved one. Take care everyone!!
Samuel the Utahnite
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