Monday, December 05, 2005

Boyd K. Packer, Current Mormon Apostle, Says, "Plan, Young People, To Marry Into Your Own Race." "Mexican Members To Marry Mexicans, Etc, Etc.......

Guys, this is huge and a very important post. I haven't seen anyone else discuss or point out what I'm about to share. In my countless hours of research and study, in the last 6 months, I have never seen or read anywhere, what I have just found. I came across this talk yesterday, By the current Mormon Apostle, Boyd K. Packer, entitled Follow The Rule.


This talk was given at BYU, in Provo, Utah on January 14th 1977.

Now keep in mind that at this point, Black people were still cursed(by God of course) in the Mormon Church, to the point that the males couldn't have the Priesthood and both the black men and the black women were not allowed to enter into the temple under any condition.

It was strictly forbidden by God. The "Blacks get the Priesthood" revelation, didn't happen until 1978 and only after the Church realized that they were about to face a major PR disaster in Brazil.

Fist of all, most of the people in Brazil were either black or had a black heritage,which terrified the Mormon Hierarchy. Can you imagine if a person with even one drop of black blood entered God's house? Oh, the terror!! Unbelievable!! Racists!! Black people were also the major contributors, that were donating to help build the temple, but then wouldn't be able to enter it. I'll be doing another post on this one.

Boyd K. Packer, still believed at this time, in 1977, that blacks would never have the Priesthood, nor be allowed to enter or marry in the temple. Of course, he wasn't just racist against blacks, for good measure, he threw in several other races. I always knew that we were advised in the Church to marry within our own race but I never knew where it came from. Now I know and it's a real mind blower. I shouldn't be surprised that it was Boyd K. Packer behind that idea.

Again, I've never seen this anywhere else. If you do a search on MSN, for the phrase, "Marry Into Your Own Race", only 1 result comes up. If you do that same search on Google, only 7 items come up, including the reference to the BYU speech site, which I link you to below. The other links make no reference to Mormonism or Boyd K. Packer. So, guys, this is really unchartered territory and it's about time that somebody got this information out there, as to the real character of the racist/bigot, Boyd K. Packer.

**Warning** Everyone copy this talk to your hard-drive, because I suspect that once it starts circulating around the Internet, it will be pulled, like his other pathetic, controversial talks that vanished into thin air. Somehow, they missed this one, oops, but good for us. Anything that can expose these men to the world, for how they really think, is a great thing. Trust me, this will soon be all over the place.

They've cleaned house pretty good, pulling Mark E. Peterson's racial rants from 1954, but this one slipped through the cracks. It's hard to believe that they missed this one. I predict heads will roll and somebody will be getting fired for this one, after facing the wrath of Hinckley and Packer of course. Maybe it's time for Boyd K. Packer to step down and resign. You think?

Here are the remarks.

Packer says:

Now, one other subject. It's been the policy of the Church--and it's been spoken on many occasions--that as the gathering of Israel is in Mexico for the Mexicans, in Tonga for the Tongans, in China for the Chinese, and so on,
so has been our counsel as it relates to marriage.

We've always counseled in the Church for our Mexican members to marry Mexicans, our Japanese members to marry Japanese, our Caucasians to marry Caucasians, our Polynesian members to marry Polynesians. The counsel has been wise. You may say again, "Well, I know of exceptions." I do, too, and they've been very successful marriages. I know some of them. You might even say, "I can show you local Church leaders or perhaps even general leaders who have married out of their race." I say, "Yes--exceptions." Then I would remind you of that Relief Society woman's near-scriptural statement,
"We'd like to follow the rule first, and then we'll take care of the exceptions."

For every exception we can show you tens and hundreds, and I suppose thousands, who were not happy. Plan, young people, to marry into your own race. This counsel is good, and I hope our branch presidents are listening and paying attention. The counsel is good.

Things are not always easy when we receive counsel, whether the counsel is to return to serve among our own people or whether it is counsel to marry among our own culture and racial backgrounds. Always there is a decision. Always we can say, "We're an exception." But I say, in the words of that Relief Society sister, "As for me, I'm going to follow the rule first; and then, should there be an exception, perhaps that will be made known."

Wow!! Was Boyd K. Packer on on roll in the 1970's or what? Through his talks, he proved himself to be a homophobe(
To the One), a racist(Follow The Rule), and, an anti-masturbator scholar(AKA "little factory" expert). Then in 1981, in The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than The Intellect, he made the statements; "Some things that are true are not very useful." Further on in the talk, he also said, "Remember: when you see the bitter apostate, you do not see only an absence of light, you see also the presence of darkness.Do not spread disease germs."

Anyone else notice how he mentioned that it was okay if a local or general Mormon Leader married outside of his race, it was just an "exception." However, it wasn't okay for other, normal members to do it, as they should "follow the rule first." Again, it's the pervasive, do as we say, not as we do hypocrisy. This quote proves once again, that they are nothing but evil cult leaders, that tell their flock what they can and can't do, while they are free to do whatever the hell they please. Their rules, the Church's rules, do not and have never applied to Church leaders. Thanks Boyd K. Packer for pointing this out once again to the world and for proving me and all of us that believe this, to be correct in our assertions.


Also, I wanted to point something else that he said. He's referring to people's nationalities, "Mexican members to marry Mexicans, our Japanese members to marry Japanese" and then instead of saying Americans marrying Americans, he says, "our Caucasians to marry Caucasians". Then he follows with our "Polynesian members to marry Polynesians." He doesn't even say Our Caucasian members, just "our Caucasians." Notice that there's no mention of "our black members to marry blacks.

Also, in the first paragraph that I quoted , when speaking of "the gathering of Israel", he even mentions "in Tonga for the Tongans, in China for the Chinese, but again, no mention of "in America for the Americans" and no mentions of blacks. So why no mention of Blacks? It's because they couldn't get married in the temple, so he excluded them from the conversation. This clearly shows you how unimportant and disrespected the Black race was, even in 1977, by Boyd K. Packer and the Church in general.

Like I said, he was on a roll. I highly suggest that everyone read all of these talks to come to your own conclusions, although I think it's pretty clear where this bigot is/was coming from. Oh yeah, by the way, neither he or any Mormon Prophet, has retracted, rescinded or apologized for any of these statements. Therefore, they still stand today and all we can assume, is that if they believed it then, they must still believe it now. For me, it's one of two things and pretty simple; either they still believe these things, or are afraid to apologize because admitting that they were wrong, could throw the Church into complete turmoil. What are the odds that Boyd K. Packer isn't still a racist, homophobe, that is vehemently against masturbation and boys "fondling themselves?"

Regardless of what the pathetic apologists say, like Daniel Peterson, John Lynch, Jeff Lindsey and others, these men are revered by members as the Prophets, Seers and Revelators that they claim to be. These average members, turn out in droves when one of them speak. In most places, other than Utah, especially in foreign countries, if the Prophet is gonna show up, people line the streets for hours, just trying to catch a quick glimpse of God's official mouthpiece. Have you seen the pathetic shows that come on in between conferences, showing the pandemonium?

They scream, cry, the tears flow and they are so excited and look at it as a "once in a lifetime opportunity." Does this sound like members look at them as fallible men with deficiencies and sins, etc? No, it certainly doesn't. Plus, Hinckley and all the other GA's, eat this stuff up and love to be treated as royalty and rarely if ever, talk about their shortcomings and never admit to past sins, either of themselves or of the Church. In other words, they do nothing to dismiss this image that the members have of them.

The truth is, that if they were to come forward and admit to all of the racism, bigotry, etc, it would shake the faith of the average member to the core. The average member isn't even aware of many of these things in the first place and they aren't professional apologists, that can just easily accept anything they do and say, as just "silly and normal" things that normal people do. The apologists are like "hey, they are just these normal guys, that make mistakes, etc." The problem lies in that every damn General Conference, the membership re-confirms them to be Prophets, Seers and Revelators, right?

Maybe they should start confirming them as Liars, Bigots and deceivers, that might be more appropriate. If anyone thinks that last line is over the top, out of line, etc, re-read Packers statements above, plus his other despicable talks, including "little boys fondling themselves", and then tell me if I'm wrong. Read about their racist remarks, their bigoted remarks, their stealing from the poor, their "pay your tithing instead of feeding your Family" and then tell me I'm wrong. Take a spin through Brigham Young's quotes regarding blacks and Jews and then tell me that I'm wrong.

I can cite example after example of this BS. Then show me where the Mormon Church has apologized for these things that were said and for their racism and bigotry. Good luck, you won't find that. The evidence is irrefutable and absolutely damning. I want to see some pathetic apologist, try to explain and twist Packer's words above into something understandable and wonderful. In the process, they will make an ass out of themselves. The truth is, I don't think that anyone, Apologist, GA, etc, can come up with any other meaning from what he said. Packer is toast on this one.

If any of the Mormon GA's are reading this, how about you do a sit down interview with me, live on TV to explain all of the things that I'm talking about. I would gladly talk to Hinckley, Faust, Packer, etc, in a heartbeat. I have no fear of these pathetic men, that prey on poor people, homosexuals, blacks and other races. They don't intimidate me, they are nothing to me but disgusting low-life scumbags!!

Wouldn't it be nice, if they would do that interview? Well, don't get your hopes up guys, it will never happen, for me or anyone else. They will never meet with anyone that is gonna ask the very tough questions and try to get to the bottom of it all. The report that Hinckley did with the German reporter at the Olympics, is about as close as your gonna get. When Monson or Packer take over, there will be no interviews, period, you watch. Hinckley has been an anomaly in that regard and believe me when I say that Monson, Faust, Packer and the rest will learn from Hinckley's mistakes and blunders, namely, making himself available to the public scrutiny. They will never make the same mistakes.

Also, along these lines, I would love for the Mormon Church to come out and clarify why Black women were not able to go to the temple, even though they "don't" have the Priesthood? Most people don't even realize that, but it's true. While men were forbidden from having the Priesthood, due to the "curse from God" or being "less valiant" in the Pre-existence, women have never been able to "officially" have the Priesthood, yet black women were still banned from all of the "blessings" of the temple.

So why is that Gordo? Can you help us out? One can only imagine what his lame answer would be, based on his pathetic answers to other tough questions. I have never read or heard anything that would explain the reason for the exclusion of black women from the temple.

I need about 30 minutes with Hinckley for an interview and we could clear all of this up or at least completely expose Mormonism for the fraud that it is. He probably wouldn't have a clue, like he usually doesn't, but it would be fun to have a video of that. It would be both fun and funny, to have a tape of little old me, confounding a supposed Mormon Prophet, question after question, wouldn't it? He'd probably get up and walk out after about the 5th question that he wouldn't be able to answer. LOL!! It would be highly embarrassing for sure, both for him and the Church.

Well, it is my belief and my understanding after doing quite a bit of research, that women, do indeed receive the Priesthood in the temple, they just don't have any office or place outside of the temple or in the Church to actually use it. I always wondered why the women would walk around giving the tokens of the Priesthood to other women in the temple, if they didn't have the Priesthood. It made no sense. I would always ask myself, "how can they be doing a Priesthood function if they don't have the Priesthood? Even one of my die-hard TBM Family members wondered out-loud about that once.

Well, now you know. It also explains how women were able to give blessings of health and comfort back in Ol'Joe's day. Yeah, they did the laying on of hands all the time. One day, I'll do a post on that. There in incontrovertible proof that women used to give blessings, even to Apostles, etc. There is account after account of this happening.

Hmmm.....I wonder when that ended and why? My guess is that it was the bigot, women abuser, blood atonement lover, murderer, wife stealer, polygamist, disgrace of a human being, Brigham Young, that most likely cut that off. After all, we can't have women with equal authority, that would be blasphemous. So much of the BS and the worst statements on racism, blood atonement, etc, came from Brigham Young or during his time. Much of it right over the pulpit in the Tabernacle. But, it's okay, he was a man too and made mistakes, etc, etc.


Anyway, like I said, I'll do a post on blessings by women, that should open some eyes, WIDE OPEN!! It's amazing what the Mormon Church DOESN'T talk about that either and how they try to pretend that some things just didn't happen and never existed. Don't they realize that people can look it up, study it and then post it to the world? Are they really that naive and stupid? Their lack of foresight is amazing, especially considering that they are "Prophets, Seers and Revelators." Obviously they aren't!! Wake up everyone!!

Of course, as Hinckley would say, all of these things are just little flecks of history, that are now in the past, etc. Well, maybe for Hinckley it is all in the past, but not for those people or their Families that have been and are still being affected by the bigotry, racism, homophobia, etc, that existed and still does in many cases, in the Mormon Church. Tell the Families of the victims of the Mountain Meadow Massacre, or the Hoffman bombings, that it's just in the past and time to move on. Hey Hinckley, the way that you move on properly, would be to use the repentance process that you hold us to.

The first thing you need to do is feel sorrow for your sins and humble yourself, which you or the Church, has never done and never will do. Then you need to confess and admit your sins, in this case, to the world. Then you try to right your wrongs and personally ask for forgiveness from those that were affected by the sins of you and your Church and your lies and fraud. Any of this ringing a bell?

Then, you strike the racist statements of Brigham Young, Boyd K. Packer and others, from the record. You admit that the Church was basically a white supremacist, very racist organization and isn't much better today, since all of those statements previously made, are still on the record and for sale at Deseret Book, Jesus' official bookstore. You get the picture?

The Mormon Church and it's History are a complete disgrace and then you have
Hinckley saying, "I knew a so-called intellectual who said the Church was trapped by its history. My response was that without that history we have nothing. The truth of that unique, singular, and remarkable event is the pivotal substance of our faith."

I've said it before and I'll say it again, buy a conference Ensign or just go to the
October version, on-line and go to the page of General Authorities(pages 64 & 65) and show me one black man among The First Presidency, Apostles, Presiding Bishopric and the Seventies. There isn't one of course. But hey, lets just move on, that racism BS was in the past, right? Isn't it amazing that there isn't one worthy, Mormon Black man on the face of the planet, that can be a GA at this time. I've said this many times on my previous posts, but hey, I never get tired of pointing this out.



Anyway, I hope that this post has opened some eyes and that you people on the fence, will realize, finally, what really lies at the core of the Mormon Church and people like Boyd K. Packer. His teachings are filled with hate, intolerance and racial divisions. For those of you that think I'm too angry; maybe you need to re-direct your anger or concern, where it truly belongs; with bigots/racists like Boyd K. Packer.

Maybe you need to focus on what I'm saying instead of how I'm saying it. Am I pissed about this stuff, your damn right I am and with very good reason. Look it up yourself if you think I'm lying, verify it, study it and then come and tell me that I shouldn't, nor should anybody, be angry about this. I guess, if you are okay with racism and bigotry, then you wouldn't understand why anyone would be upset by statements like the one above by Boyd K. Packer.

If that's the case, and you actually side with Packer, then I pray for your soul and that maybe I can teach you that this thinking is wrong and flat out evil. Keep reading my blog and maybe you can change.There is no place in this world, for this kind of hate speech like Packer shared above. I don't care when he grew up, or the history of the times, when he was a kid, etc. He hasn't ever come forward, that I can find, through my extensive studies, to say I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that, it was wrong, etc. Until there is a full re-traction and an apology, I will continue to call him a bigot and racist, two titles that he clearly deserves and has earned.

I've shared this link before, but let me share it again. It is a letter, written by DAVID ECCLES HARDY on October 7, 1999 to Boyd K. Packer. David Hardy, is a former Bishop and wrote this painful, heart wrenching letter, regarding his 13 year old son, who discovered he's homosexual. He addressed the many things that Boyd K. Packer had to say in the speech, "To the one", and how those things affected his Family and especially his Son. If you haven't read this, please take the time to read it and then tell me that Boyd K. Packer, isn't a bigot.

I'm making an open Challenge to Boyd K. Packer to come forward and tell the world that he is sorry for these hurtful, divisive and hateful words that he has spoken and then to resign his position in the Church. It's time that this man is held accountable for his sins and it's also time for him to go. Enough is enough. Give the world a great Christmas present by admitting your sins, apologizing and then say that the only right thing to do, based on the circumstances, is to resign.

I'm not gonna hold my breath, but you never know. I encourage everyone that is reading this post, to spread it around the Internet everywhere you can. We need to get this information out there for all the world to see. We need to put intense pressure on the Mormon Church, to respond publicly to these things. Let's do everything we can, to make this happen.

Thanks you guys for reading my blog and for all that you do, to expose the Mormon fraud every chance you get. Keep up the great work!!

Samuel the Utahnite

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17 Comments:

At Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:49:00 PM, Blogger nate said...

there's some flaw in this logic...and some untruthfull statements.
1. President Packer doesn't say "there are exceptions for leaders" he says in essence that you may know of an inter-racial marraige (exception), and you may even know of some church leaders who have an inter-racial marraige. But he says that despite these exceptions, whether they are leaders or not, we must first follow the rule.
2. Second, you need to do more research on blacks and the priesthood and the temple, because what you've said is entirely untrue. I agree, there is not a lot of official information, but lying doesn't prove your point.

 
At Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:53:00 PM, Blogger The Girl Who said...

Just found your blog.. Excellent stuff. Am a recovering Mormon now living in Manhattan. I'll keep reading..

 
At Sunday, December 17, 2006 10:02:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You've got to admit that the things Boyd Packer says logically makes sense. There are countless positives toward marrying within your own race. I have seen so much cultural conflict within interace marriage and dating because of little misunderstandings even translational communication errors. I'm not saying that interace marriage is bad, but that there exists cultural misunderstandings and that if more common cultural links between couples exist, the less possibility of conflict exits. There is a whole lot that doesn't need to be explained when you are with someone of your own culture. An understanding automatically exists.

 
At Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:26:00 PM, Anonymous Shane said...

"Boyd K. Packer, still believed at this time, in 1977, that blacks would never have the Priesthood, nor be allowed to enter or marry in the temple."

Ha ha! In Court they call this hearsay! Can you site a reference for it?

 
At Friday, August 31, 2007 8:14:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're such a goofball...get a life dude!

 
At Saturday, September 29, 2007 11:11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a link to Pres Packer's talk from BYU's website. You can even download it to your PDA! I guess the talk isn't going to be pulled. Sorry

http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=viewitem&id=1051

 
At Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:54:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey guy who post this article, get a life what are u so following the church, calm down, u are just one of then who want to stop the church, yeah, yeah, yeah, i know u , talk of u want, make a million of articles, spread out the word, u make me laugh

 
At Sunday, February 03, 2008 8:46:00 PM, Anonymous royalscot said...

Well I guess you are really uninspired and that when you left the church, the Holy Ghost went too. You have to really understand that, when mortal men are given the authority here on earth, we should always remember that they too are not perfect, but they at least are more then we, otherwise the Lord would not choose them as leaders of the Church. I know they aren't perfect they are mortal and are subject to the same things we are just they are more prepared to not give into temptation. As for the other things, I don't think you know in context or were they are saying to the the writings and thoughts of them are you finally at last seeking prayer and understanding as to what they are saying?? No?, I thought so , because whoa unto them that rival and scorn my Prophets and leaders for they shall feel my wrath . Of course that is paraphrasing, but I get the meaning, I am glad I can be a member of a Church that gives me freedom to search for myself what is true and what is not.

 
At Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:49:00 AM, Blogger Brandon said...

I guess I am going to assume that you arne't a christian of any kind due to the posting you have. You obviously cannot be catholic, mormon, protestant or any other type because you would know that all throughout the old testament God has instructed his people to not go out and marry other races or even trides. As a part of King Solomon's wickedness it was that he married outside of the covenant. But anyone who has read the old testament would be able to understand that and so i'm going to also assume your not a jew or muslum. Also in the old testament you learn that only the priests were allowed to preform ceremonies in the temple, and when King Saul tried to preform temple rituals without having the "priesthood" even with good intentions he was found guilty before God and replaced with david. If you are going to post on matters that pertain to religion I hope that in the future you would actually try to learn about the beliefs that all Jews, Christians and many other religions believe. Or continue to be ignorant, but anyone who has cracked the Holy Bible will know.

 
At Monday, February 18, 2008 4:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tell the whole story...

Even the ex-Mormon foyer says there was an African American Seventy:
Elijah Abel was ordained a Seventy on April 4, 1841
http://exmormonfoyer.blogspot.com/2006/02/elijah-abel-black-mormon-elder-before.html

There were other African American Priesthood Holders including:
Elijah Abel's descendants, Walker Lewis, and William McCary.

 
At Monday, October 20, 2008 9:50:00 PM, Blogger Nathan said...

Did you actually read the talk? The point of the talk was that people should "bloom where they are planted." When members of the church from Mexico or Europe, or wherever leave their homelands, or seek to marry people of other races, nationalities, etc., it hurts parts of the world where the church is still building. I served a mission in Brazil. Many Brazilian LDS girls try to get American RMs to marry them so that they can move to the US. That's bad for the church in Brazil. Elder Packer's message is that those girls (and members of the church in every part of the world) would do better to stay in their homelands and build up the kingdom there, rather than trying to use the church as a means to move the US, or some other land that you see as more suitable.

 
At Monday, October 04, 2010 5:51:00 PM, Blogger Jamie and Landon Buie said...

Seriously, it's this type of anti-mormon literature, which is so horribly taken out of context. Boyd K. Packer is a great, honorable man, who speaks boldly to the world. What he says is hard to bear but it is the truth. Even though he speaks boldly of these things, it doesn't mean that he hates homosexuals or is a bigot. He's just speaking his mind, which wouldn't be condemned at all if any homosexual leader would condemn the LDS religion. No, media is using their propaganda to make honorable people like Elder Packer look like an insensitive, bigot, which in reality he's not at all.

 
At Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:38:00 PM, Blogger Skowronek said...

Boy, talking about having issues.

 
At Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:42:00 PM, Blogger iBear said...

Unbelievable how bigotry is given a free pass. How can anyone claim that this was 'taken out of context' when a link to the original speeach was provided?
The so-called "point" of this quote from Packer's speech is that prominent leaders of the mormon church have encouraged racial segregation.

And now Packer has gone on record officially claiming that homosexuality can be 'cured.' This was an offensive shot at my gay and lesbian friends: "there's something wrong with you, and it's YOUR fault, because God would never have made you this way." It was also insensitive in the extreme, coming as it did on the heels of a month where no fewer than 4 teenagers took their own lives because of prejudices against their sexuality. But finally, and maybe most importantly, it was utterly and blatantly INCORRECT. All legitimate sociological and psychological experts are united in their clear, unwavering statements: human sexuality is NOT a choice. Homosexuality can NOT be 'cured,' and it is inherently harmful to make the attempt.

Packer's disgusting display of bigotry hearkens back to the days at BYU when homosexuals were subjected to electric shock 'treatments' in an attempt to 'cure' them. He has presented a very clear message to the world: the mormon church steadfastly refuses to put such barbarity behind them, and will continue to work in the shadows, spreading misinformation and outright lies about homosexuality until everyone fears that group as much as Packer himself does, if such a thing is even possible. One can only hope that this message is remembered along with some of his other favorite sayings, like 'Some things that are true are not useful."

 
At Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:50:00 PM, Blogger Lyn said...

To the author of this page: There are things that not all people understand. It's not that they wouldn't like to but that it is beyond them and the more they question it, the more difficult it becomes for them. I think that is what has happened for you when you began trying to discredit Elder Packer. He is an apostle of God. I know that God speaks to him and helps him understand things that the majority cannot. Also, God's timing is not man's. He knows that mankind on the whole cannot comprehend His reasons for why some people have diseases or accidents or birth defects. At the time Elder Packer gave the talk urging people to marry within their own race, it was to spare them the pain and separateness that marrying outside their race might bring to them. He knew it would be adding an extra burden to an already difficult relationship - marriage. Only those strong enough spiritually can get through extremely tough times and he was trying to help people understand that. He did not say DON'T marry outside one's race; he urged ALL people not to as a protection for them all. Pray about things that you don't understand. Don't close your mind to the peace that true understanding can bring. Look at those who obey the commandments and see the way in which they conduct themselves and how much love they convey. I wish you the best, I truly do. And so do all the Priesthood leaders in The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints, especially those called as apostles and general authorities.

 
At Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:48:00 PM, Blogger djdega9575 said...

Fuck Boyd K Packer he is a total douche bag he points his finger at others blaming them for there sins and there wrong doing when he is the same sinner of lies, hate, greed, and he is a man of no true knowing of what it mends to comfort people when he is only causing hurt and pain. Mr Packer you are NO GOD or leader, your a simple man who has a close minded way of looking at things, you have caused nothing but problems and the death of Innocent people that only wanted to fit in . your a man of judgment, now i have never know anyone so hateful as you. you have ruined the lives of several family's to loosing there children to suicide because of your speeches and pointing your finger blaming them for being a sinner and drilling it into there heads there there some kind of bad person. you have taken these lives from these people and does that make you anymore right? no. you are a disgrace to the church and to all churches. you tell these people the gay lesbian & transgendered community that they will burn in hell and that they will be judged for there sins for this type of lifestyle? Well Mr you also will be judged you stand here on this earth pointing your finger at those that you don't agree with there choices of how they choose to live there own lives gay straight lesbian transgendered ect you do not have the power to do gods work its not your job and there is nothing going to stop these people from being who they are, you one day will also be judged you say god hates fags well he hates haters too remember that. your way is not every ones way. one day you will stand in line with all us fags and be judges for your sins as well you think you sitting up in that chair in the temple saves your soul and gets you a better spot in line waiting to get to heaven? lol your so wrong you Mr are sinning in ways that you will be judged for also. you have killed so many young beautiful people because of your personal hate for there lifestyles hope that makes you proud. your only making the problem worse and its something you can never change about people we are the GAY community and we will only get bigger stronger, and that is something you know you can never stop. Deal with it were not going anywhere. you have only made us stronger by putting us down after all we are the ones people are starting to listen to.

 
At Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:48:00 PM, Blogger djdega9575 said...

Boyd K Packer, he points his finger at others blaming them for there sins and there wrong doing when he is the same sinner of lies, hate, greed, and he is a man of no true knowing of what it mends to comfort people when he is only causing hurt and pain. Mr Packer you are NO GOD or leader, your a simple man who has a close minded way of looking at things, you have caused nothing but problems and the death of Innocent people that only wanted to fit in . your a man of judgment, now i have never know anyone so hateful as you. you have ruined the lives of several family's to loosing there children to suicide because of your speeches and pointing your finger blaming them for being a sinner and drilling it into there heads there there some kind of bad person. you have taken these lives from these people and does that make you anymore right? no. you are a disgrace to the church and to all churches. you tell these people the gay lesbian & transgendered community that they will burn in hell and that they will be judged for there sins for this type of lifestyle? Well Mr you also will be judged you stand here on this earth pointing your finger at those that you don't agree with there choices of how they choose to live there own lives gay straight lesbian transgendered ect you do not have the power to do gods work its not your job and there is nothing going to stop these people from being who they are, you one day will also be judged you say god hates fags well he hates haters too remember that. your way is not every ones way. one day you will stand in line with all us fags and be judges for your sins as well you think you sitting up in that chair in the temple saves your soul and gets you a better spot in line waiting to get to heaven? lol your so wrong you Mr are sinning in ways that you will be judged for also. you have killed so many young beautiful people because of your personal hate for there lifestyles hope that makes you proud. your only making the problem worse and its something you can never change about people we are the GAY community and we will only get bigger stronger, and that is something you know you can never stop. Deal with it were not going anywhere. you have only made us stronger by putting us down after all we are the ones people are starting to listen to.

 

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