Thursday, September 15, 2005

Time For Another Mormon Prophet Post Featuring Gordon B. Hinckley!!!

Well, I've covered Hinckley pretty well in my original two posts and then here and there in subsequent posts but I don't think I'll ever get tired of exposing him and his words. Gordon B. Hinckley is the main reason that I'm now sitting on the outside looking in on the Mormon Church. Every interview that he did just revealed to me more and more that he was a fraud and didn't even have a testimony of what he was trying to say or in most cases, what he was trying not to say. Anyway, I knew that on several occasions, that he had stated that the Church was either true or a fraud, etc. Well, the other day, I found another instance where he said it. Anyway, here are some of my favorite all time quotes from Gordon B. Hinckley that in my opinion, shed quite a bit of light on how he really feels. I'm sure that I'll be doing many more of these posts on Hinckley as I continue to find more of his quotes.

Here are the quotes. This first one is from the Gordon B. Hinckley speech, “The Marvelous Foundation of Our Faith,” Ensign, Nov. 2002, 78:

We declare without equivocation that God the Father and His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, appeared in person to the boy Joseph Smith.

When I was interviewed by Mike Wallace on the 60 Minutes program, he asked me if I actually believed that. I replied, “Yes, sir. That’s the miracle of it.”

That is the way I feel about it. Our whole strength rests on the validity of that vision. It either occurred or it did not occur. If it did not, then this work is a fraud. If it did, then it is the most important and wonderful work under the heavens.

Now from Gordon B. Hinckley's speech, “Loyalty,” Ensign, May 2003, 58

Now may I say a word concerning loyalty to the Church.

We see much indifference. There are those who say, "The Church won't dictate to me how to think about this, that, or the other, or how to live my life."

No, I reply, the Church will not dictate to any man how he should think or what he should do. The Church will point out the way and invite every member to live the gospel and enjoy the blessings that come of such living. The Church will not dictate to any man, but it will counsel, it will persuade, it will urge, and it will expect loyalty from those who profess membership therein.

When I was a university student, I said to my father on one occasion that I felt the General Authorities had overstepped their prerogatives when they advocated a certain thing. He was a very wise and good man. He said, "The President of the Church has instructed us, and I sustain him as prophet, seer, and Revelator and intend to follow his counsel."

(Keep in mind now that he is speaking of people being obedient to him, Gordon B. Hinckley, who is now the Mormon Prophet, Seer and Revelator. So he is telling people to be obey him and anything that he might say. That my friends is a cult leader, plain and simple!!)

Then he said:

Each of us has to face the matter—either the Church is true, or it is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the Church and kingdom of God, or it is nothing.

In Gordon B. Hinkley's, “My Testimony,” Ensign, Nov. 1993, 51, he said the following:

I thank my Father in Heaven for the testimony I have of the reality of the First Vision. I have stood among the trees where Joseph knelt as a boy, and heard the whisperings of the Spirit that it happened as he said it happened. I have read the words of critics, who from 1820 until now have tried to destroy the validity of that account. They have made much of the fact that there were several versions and that the account as we now have it was not written until 1838. So what? I find security for my faith in the simplicity of his narrative, in its lack of argument, in its straightforward reasonableness, and in the fact that he sealed his testimony with his life’s blood. Could there have been a stronger endorsement?

Yeah, so what Hinckley? So what? You claim to be a prophet of God, a Prophet, Seer and Revelator, I say this, so what? Who cares, right? You claim your Church is the one and only true Church on the face of the earth as revealed to Joseph Smith, so what? So what? So What? So what?

You, Hinckley and your Church are frauds and you know it!! That's why when you read the critics words that bring up great points, like the fact that Joseph Smith didn't write his own history, that there are several versions, the one that you use now wasn't even written until 1838 and that no one even knew until then that Joseph had claimed to see the Father and the Son in 1820, all you can say is so what? That's a pretty piss poor response to your critics from God's one and only Prophet, Seer and Revelator.

To me, it sounds like the attitude of someone that can't dispute what is being said by the critics and is looking for a quick way out that will make the Morgbots relax and laugh a little, which is exactly what they did when he made that remark. They laughed!! Ha Ha!! Yeah...the critics have pointed out all of these true things and so what? Ha ha ha!! It's just insane that people are so brainwashed, like I once was and that they continue believing the crap that spews out of his mouth. Hinckley knows the truth. Let me share something else with you that he said in the same talk that should prove that he knows more than anyone else. He loves to brag about how long he has been a General Authority so that proves that he should know EVERYTHING about the Church which I'm sure he does. He said the following, trying to be ever so humble:

"I have now served as a General Authority longer than any living man other than the President of the Church. I think I have worked in the administrative offices of the Church longer than anyone now living. I have seen and known for nearly sixty years in a personal way all who have served in the First Presidency, the Council of the Twelve, the First Council of the Seventy, and more recently those of the First and Second Quorums of the Seventy, as well as the Presiding Bishopric. They have been and are mortal men, not entirely without human weaknesses. Two or three out of very many during that long time have stumbled. But I believe that no better men are to be found in any cause anywhere on earth. They have not taken this honor unto themselves, but they have been called of God, as was Aaron. They serve in a spirit of consecration and love. They are men of prayer and faith, men who hold the priesthood and in humility exercise divine authority. Their only objective is to build and enhance the kingdom."

Gordon B. Hinckley has worked for the Church basically since he was 19, when he served his mission and became an AP about 6 months into his mission. Then on returning, one of the first things he did was to go and meet with the First Presidency to report on the status of the Church in Europe.(How many missionaries got or get that opportunity?) He then went to work for the Church and except for a brief time when he worked for the Railroad in Salt Lake, he has worked for the Church ever since, both before and after. He left the railroad to be the Churches PR man, thus explaining why he is so good with the BS.

So he has been basically supported by the Church ever since he was 21 or so. Let's see, he's 95 now. So for about the last 74 years, he has had anything he wanted without any financial worries, thanks to the Church. How would it be to be so coddled your whole life. I bet most of us could live to 95 with his life. Now he lives in a multi-million dollar condo that is much bigger than most of our houses. He receives somewhere in the neighborhood of $500,000/year although we don't know for sure because that type of information is a secret and not available to us normal people. So, why do they serve again? It's for money, plain and simple. Money and security is the name of the game!! All they care about is keeping the fraud going so that they can all continue to reap the rewards, money and security. Those are the fruits of being a General Authority.

Anyway, I guess that's all I have to say for now but Hinckley makes me sick. Why would he continue to say that the Church could be a fraud? He says it simply to put questioning members of the Church into a comfort zone. These members think to themselves, "he certainly wouldn't mention to the world that the Church could be a fraud if it really was." In other words, Hinckley's just playing mind games with the membership. He probably gets a kick out of it. It's like saying to someone that wasn't sure about you, after paying them with a check, "I would never bounce a check or joking about how it was going to bounce sky high."

Now, in some cases, they might be joking but then again, there are the cases where they would be trying to make the worried individual feel comfortable and convince them that they are a good guy and that the check wouldn't bounce. So, then the person deposits the check and lo and behold, it bounces. Wow, it actually sounds like Mark Hoffman!! Everybody thought he was a great guy, including Hinckley at one point and he was bouncing checks all over the place for large sums of money. Not to mention that he was killing 2 people by blowing them up and had created 100's of forgeries.

Now, keep in mind, Hinckley had no idea that this stuff was happening and he had personally met, with Hoffman, in his own office at the Church office building on several occasions and not once, ever, did he suspect or receive a revelation from God or perceive that Hoffman was a murdering forger. I strongly feel that the blood of those two people that died, is all over the hands of the Church, specifically Gordon B. Hinckley. It also proves that he isn't inspired of God whatsoever. Surely God would have intervened, right? He wasn't the Prophet then but he was the one in the middle of everything. Not once, has he ever apologized for his involvement in the entire Mark Hoffman scandal, but then again, why should we be surprised? The Church never apologizes for anything!!

So my point is, Hinckley is bouncing his testimony like a bad check. He brings up what is the reality, that the Church is a fraud, while making a joke about it and making everyone feel comfortable that it isn't a fraud when in reality, it is a fraud and he knows that it is. Hinckley's testimony is no better than a bounced, rubber check!! Hinckley's testimony is nothing more than a forgery!! In other words, it isn't worth a cent!! But then I guess we could just use Hinckley's own words and say, SO WHAT!! Right? After all, that's what he says about the Churches critics!!

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At Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:13:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry you have become angry at the church Samuel the Utahnite. Confused. It is wonderful that you have served a mission and brought the truth to so many over seas. Heavenly Father's plan was to have everyone choose for him or herself what path they take. That is the wonder of "Freedom of choice". Oh, No one on this earth is perfect only Christ. We all have to answer to our choices.
Church investments: I believe there are very few investments that one can deal with that are not dangling their feet in the muck of this world on some point. You mentioned Direct TV, by investing you are not actually telling people to watch every thing on the air. There is that choice once again. That agency. I have Direct TV in my home. What I watch is not considered a church problem, it is mine if I choose to live below my standard.
Computers are a great investment. But now look; it is the greatest tool for porn.
I have a question. Have you investigated what the Church does with all that money they are making? Are they sunning in Hawaii and sipping lemonade on the beaches? Are they pocketing it for their own benefit? (The Deseret Mutual Corporations)
I believe they are using this money to build up the Kingdom of God on this earth. By building up this Kingdom, the people are given the opportunity to understand what is of good and what is not. They are then given the choice to change their environments and help stamp out the muck in this world, porn, drugs, alcohol, etc.
Maybe you would like to examine this web site to give you further light and knowledge that you may not be aware of.
I hope you find your way back. That is the awesomeness of Heavenly Father's plan. Salvation. He loves all of us no matter what we choose to do or believe and thru Christ we can be forgiven for all our wrong choices if we just ask and repent.
Maybe you are reading into things and need to pray about them instead of trying to figure out what is NOT said. You have the foundation in you, by the way you have been raised, to find out by asking of God and listening to His reply in your heart. Remember you can go to him with any questions and.... he loves you.

At Monday, December 11, 2006 12:06:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I came in here seeking information on how the church could possibly be false, but all you did was covince me how true it really is. Only Satan could have twisted your heart enough to make you twist those wonderful things the prophet said.. You are truly mislead and I wish there was some way to help you, but sadly I'm young, and inexperienced. I hope what the person say's above helps you find your way back.

At Friday, December 15, 2006 6:42:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to the above comments, it is easy to go through life as a mormon without questioning the truth of the matter. It is easy to say that those who leave are sinners and are to be pitied as those who have left the one true church. You need to understand that there are many people who have been able to tear ourselves away from the grips of a church that does everything to keep you. We should be revered not dismissed as 'giving up' or not having a strong testimony, we have come to the only conclusion there is. That the church cannot be saved from the attacks against it, the evidence is overwhelming.

At Monday, January 22, 2007 8:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh wow. i know for a fact that Gordon B. Hinckley is a true prophet. and i know that everything he says is true and i have a firm testimony of it. and like someone said above, what you have posted makes me realize how much more i believe everything that Gordon B. Hinckley has said. so thanks.

At Tuesday, January 23, 2007 3:22:00 AM, Blogger Samuel the Utahnite said...

Okay, so you say that "you know that everything he(Gordon B. Hinckley) says is true?" So, is it true when he says the following in interviews:

"San Francisco Chronicle
13 March 1997

Q: There are some significant differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormons believe that God was once a man?

Gordon B. Hinckley: "I WOULDN'T SAY THAT. ''There was a little couplet coined, As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.'' Now that's MORE OF A COUPLET than anything else. THAT GETS INTO SOME PRETTY DEEP THEOLOGY THAT DON'T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT."

Did Hinckley lie or tell the truth?

In the Time Magazine article and interview, that the Mormon church and Hierarchy, including Hinckley supported, it says:

On whether his church still holds that God the Father was once a man, he sounded uncertain:


So, once again, did your beloved Hinckley lie or tell the truth? Well, let's see what the founding Prophet(Joseph Smith praise to the man, right?) had to say about it in the official church history:

God An Exalted Man

I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God IN THE BEGINNING? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man.

GOD HIMSELF WAS ONCE AS WE ARE NOW, AND IS AN EXALTED MAN, AND SITS ENTHRONED IN YONDER HEAVENS! THAT IS THE GREAT SECRET. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.

In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and HOW HE CAME TO BE SO; FOR I AM GOING TO TELL YOU HOW GOD CAME TO BE GOD. We have imagined and supposed that GOD WAS GOD FROM ALL ETERNITY. I will REFUTE THAT IDEA, and take away the veil, so that you may see.

These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. IT IS THE FIRST PRINCIPLE OF THE GOSPEL TO KNOW FOR A CERTAINTY THE CHARACTER OF GOD, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and THAT HE WAS ONCE A MAN LIKE US; yea, THAT GOD HIMSELF, THE FATHER OF US ALL, DWELT ON AN EARTH, THE SAME AS JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF DID; and I will show it from the Bible.

Joseph Smith's King Follet Sermon(as printed in History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 302-317)
CHAPTER XIV(about half way down the page)

So, there you have it!! Either Joseph Smith was a liar, or Gordon B. Hinckley is a liar, plain and simple to understand, unless you are brainwashed and indoctrinated, as you most definitely are.

Amazing that Hinckley, the current Mormon Prophet and sworn in and called of God Seer and Revelator, doesn't understand or even know what Joseph Smith said, about "THE FIRST PRINCIPLE OF THE GOSPEL TO KNOW FOR A CERTAINTY THE CHARACTER OF GOD"

So, if Hinckley doesn't know for a certainty the character of God, as obvious from his interview responses regarding God once being a man; then how the hell can he be a Prophet of God? How can he be the Prophet of someone that he doesn't even know or understand? He doesn't know his character, but he represents him? How did Joe know his character and Gordo doesn't? How can he not know or agree with what Joseph taught? Joseph Smith's teachings don't count? Joe "didn't know much about the deep doctrine?"

It's called PR, bullshit and lies, all spewing from the Hinckster's filthy mouth. He knows damn well what Joseph Smith taught, after nearly 50 years of being and Apostles and Prophet.

He's written 99% of all the PR material and videos/filmstrips(that are full of lies and half-truths), that the 52,000 + Mormon missionaries peddle to the poor unsuspecting people in over 150 countries, yet doesn't know this very basic concept, that I knew as a small child growing up Mormon?

The bottom line is the doctrine and teaching is so stupid, makes no sense and is so absurd, that he knowingly lied to the "unprepared world", because they would laugh in his face.

Then they would ask him many follow up questions, based on logic, that would make him look even dumber and stupider than he already looked(that he wouldn't be able to answer), just saying that "he didn't know much about it." Ever heard of opening a can of worms? Are you getting it? Can I crack your brainwashing? I hope so!!

What a joke and I hope that whoever you are Anon, that you have the courage to respond and "show me the real truth", and proof that I'm dead wrong and lying, since I'm so mistaken, okay?

Hinckley and the Mormon cult is nothing but a huge gigantic fraud, that is lying to the world daily and destroying individuals and families, as the Hierarchy smile all the way to the bank to build Jesus some more malls, re-design more downtowns and build more luxury resorts.

Oh yeah, do you still believe everything that Hinckley says, since I just proved he's a bold faced liar? Did his blatant lie(one of so so many), also help you "realize how much more you believe everything that Gordon B. Hinckley has said?"

In the name of the Mormon God, I sure hope not!! Pay Lay Ale, in the name of Joseph Smith, AMEN... now, buy your magic underwear from me only and bow your head and say YES damn it!!


At Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:23:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A pity, I will be walking away from this site and never looking back, not even for your response. I do not believe in the LDS doctrine, I struggled, studied and left the LDS church. I was bitter and angry at how I was treated for that decision. Then I realized that being bitter and angry and hostile does not encourage members to listen to me. Strange, I know, but I have realized that members who know I left and still love them (not the church) and they really get that I do. Then and only then, will they listen to me at which time I tread lightly, you know, milk not meat. When it comes to bashing milk is appropriate, when it comes to replacing what they have lost due to leaving the church, meat should be given. You seem to hate God, hate religion, hate anyone with faith in something that requires faith and in this fashion, you are as dangerous as the very thing you are warning people against? You too were once a believer, I respect you as a person no more and no less now than when you were a member of the mormon church. What you need to understand is, just like your own feelings and obviously, they are strong and Painful, those you are reaching out to through this site most likely are scared, hurting and confused. They get the message from this site that if they leave the church ie.. the people they love, they have to hate ie.. the people they love. For many years I struggled with this very thing! How do I leave and still love? A good question still today!

At Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:34:00 PM, Anonymous B.Rad from NZ said...

Wow, that is definatly a good read. As far as fictional novels go, you have quite a talent my friend.
I am not and have not been a mormon. I found this site while searching for an answer to a general question that i had while surfing. I dont have too much sympathy for mormons but am rather nutral to their cause. Which as far as i can tell, through my own judgement and guidence (alot like the freedom of choice so widely heralded by mormons) your entire artical has condradicted your reasoning.
You have taken time to emphasize that mormons believe in devine inspiration. The text that you have highlighted pretty much tells us why mormons beleive what they do. They have trusted personages that tell them so. Yet they are inspired by something greater than us to believe this also. They are not drones in a hive, but rather a well oiled machine that keeps the hive working.
It is blatantly obvious that what you so adimently proclaim to be false indoctrinations from the speaches of their prophet, are nothing more than what they realy are. Basic teachings for their following, all of which are fantastic ideas for a worthy cause.
I see no fault in the words that have come from the man in the above portrait (who by the way looks rather angelic). I think your argument is laughable and basically unintellegent. Keep it up mate. Kia Ora


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