More on the Mormon Church And Their Teachings Regarding Masturbation, Homosexuality And How To Treat Those Individuals That Have Those "Problems!!"

After my original post over on the Ex-Mormon recovery board, I've had several people thank me for posting this information. This was my response to those that thanked me publicly and silently. For anyone that I may have helped or that felt grateful that I would post this information, this response is for you also:


Hey, no problem, it is my pleasure!! I'm just so glad that I'm not the close minded, brainwashed, judgmental person anymore, that the Mormon Church and their teachings had helped to create. I just can't believe how insensitive and clueless I really was. I guess better late than never.

I've already helped several people to change their views on gay marriage and why everybody should have the chance to be happy and with someone they love. It doesn't matter where they are from, what the color of their skin is or what their sexual preference is. People are people. People have feelings and the right to be happy. That last statement I just made would get me excommunicated from the Mormon bigot Church. Isn't that amazing?

If I or anyone that was an active member of the Church, went public, on TV, radio, etc and made those statements and said that we disagreed with the Church on their beliefs, they would ex us. Wow!! Any doubts guys that the Mormon Church is a hate filled bigoted Church? Any doubt left that the Mormon Church is a cult?!! Most of the members that are against gay marriage or black people, are just being the way they have been trained and told to be. If they aren't, they risk excommunication.

I wanted to share some other quotes from an article about Kip Eliason from Idaho who committed suicide because he couldn't stop masturbating. Of course the Church believes that anyone that masturbates, has the danger of becoming homosexual. That is their real fear about masturbation. These excerpt's that I'm gonna share with you guys were shocking to me and I was horrified that the Mormon Church had actually been involved in something so degrading and evil. I don't know if they still do it, but I'm sure they do, why not? right?

I know that the Church basically runs "Evergreen" and that Mormon GA's and Bishops, Leaders, etc, are on the board. It's just awful!! For those out there that know more about what is currently going on with "Evergreen" and what they actually do there, I'd love to know. Are they still doing the "Shock Therapy?" Are they still using pornography?

Anyway, here's the quote from the article that was written:

"In a devotional speech to young adults in 1974 the late Spencer W. Kimball, Prophet, Seer and Revelator of the Mormon Church, admonished teenagers: "Immorality [petting, premarital sex, adultery, homosexuality and masturbation] brings generally a guilt deep and lasting. These guilt complexes are the stuff of which mental breakdowns come; they are the building blocks of suicide, the fabric of distorted personalities and the wounds that scar and decapitate individuals or families.""

"In the pamphlet Love vs. Lust, Kimball warned masturbators that if they don't stop, they will end up homosexual: "Masturbation is the introduction of the more serious sin of exhibitionism and the gross sin of homosexuality." And in Tools for Missionaries the church states that medical doctors believe masturbation "dulls the mind and has adverse effect on the memory.""

If the church's stand on masturbation is based on turn-of-the-century science, its controversial treatment for homosexuals might be right out of the futureshock novel and cult-film classic A Clockwork Orange.

The so-called electroshock conditioning starts in the downtown Salt Lake City office of psychologist and active Mormon Robert Card. First, electrodes are strapped to the homosexual's arms or fingers, biofeedback monitors are attached to his head, and a circular electronic sensor is placed around his penis. Next, the patient sits in a darkened room where he views videotapes of heterosexual and homosexual sex acts.

If the patient gets an erection while watching the heterosexual tapes, a biofeedback digital-display monitor registers a positive numerical reading. But if the patient begins to have an erection while viewing the homosexual tapes, the electrodes strapped to his arms or fingers deliver an electrical shock.

Don Atridge, an ex-Mormon homosexual who was also a member of the famed Mormon Tabernacle Choir, underwent five months of shock treatments conducted by Dr. Card, whom he refers to as Dr. Frankenstein. "Every time I left his office, I was hornier than ever. Many times my arms were red and cut up from the shocks — they looked like hamburger."

Another ex-Mormon gay, Les (who wanted only his first name identified), is very angry. "It's horrible having the hell shocked out of you when you get sexually excited. The entire thing was disgusting." Les even considered suicide. "After a while suicide looked like the most honorable thing to do. Many Mormon gays do it. I had it all planned, an automobile accident on a certain curve in the mountains; it was a way my children and family would be spared."

In February 1984 the Australian television version of 60 Minutes aired a segment about the treatments, titled "Saints and Sinners." Utah native and ex-Mormon Gary L. Stone told producer Warren McStoker that be didn't just leave the church after being treated by Dr. Card. He kidnapped his four-year-old daughter from his ex-wife to get her away from the church and then moved to Australia.

"Getting myself and my daughter away from the Mormon Church was the best decision I've made in my entire 32-year life." About Dr. Card's treatment he says, "It's destructive. They are purposely trying to destroy you. If you are a homosexual in the church, you have only three options — you can lie, you can die or you can disappear."

While publicly abhorring any form of pornography, the church uses porn to treat homosexuality. And although it doesn't openly embrace Dr. Card's treatment, many higher-ups endorse the therapy and even refer church members for treatment.

The Mormon instructional pamphlet Homosexuality outlines and suggests specific therapeutic methods to be used in sex counseling. They include establishing rapport and confidentiality, assessment counseling, fantasy-changing, goal-setting, thought-stopping, chain-breaking and aversion therapy. The church believes that all homosexuals started out as masturbators; so counselors are instructed to identify the masturbator, gain his confidence, assess his needs and then design and implement a plan to help him stop before it leads to "more perverse and repugnant sins."

Although the church encourages the use of these potentially dangerous therapies, it fails to offer implementation guidelines. Bishops have no way of recognizing emotional and psychological problems or even mental illness. Also, they have no way of knowing whether the therapy is helpful or harmful.

Again, Dr. Jack Annon: "It is my professional opinion that the LDS Church has gone a step beyond propounding a certain viewpoint that masturbation is a sin, and has actually instructed its leaders, teachers and bishops to provide counseling and to utilize behavior-'modification skills that can have very dangerous and adverse effects."

The link to article

I hope that we can get more people to respond to this post and express what they think and feel about these horrific teachings by the Mormon Church. I know that for me, it is something very passionate because these teachings are causing depression, suicides and loss of life. I believe that these teachings are downright criminal, destructive and life destroying!! If they don't outrage you, they should!!

Samuel the Utahnite