Tuesday, September 20, 2005

Famous Mormon Prophet's/Apostle's Quotes--The Mormon Hall Of Shame-Volume 1!!



Man, there are so many, I don't even know where to begin. I'll try to begin with the very beginning and then hopefully, one day, I'll be current after like 20 volumes and just go forward with each General Conference or with each quote as they are received. I think the best place to begin is with Joseph Smith. There won't be any particular order or subject, just quotes regarding all things on all different subjects. Anyway, let the fun begin!! Hold on tight, keep your arms and legs inside at all times and have a great ride!! LOL!!

Joseph Smith boasted that he was greater than Jesus Christ!!

Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet. You know my daily walk and conversation. I am in the bosom of a virtuous and good people.How I do love to hear the wolves howl! When they can get rid of me, the devil will also go.

What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.

I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers.
I labored with these apostates myself until I was out of all manner of patience
(History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 408-412).

Joseph Smith said God was once a man and that God is now an exalted man.

I will go back to the beginning before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning. Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth, for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why He interferes with the affairs of man.

God himself. was Once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.

In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so;
for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.

These are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.
(Joseph Smith's King Follet Sermon)
(as printed in History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 302-317)

Was there ever a Son without a Father?

If Abraham reasoned thus—If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.

I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before. He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys, &c. I know it is good reasoning.

The old Catholic church traditions are worth more than all you have said. Here is a principle of logic that most men have no more sense than to adopt. I will illustrate it by an old apple tree. Here jumps off a branch and says, I am the true tree, and you are corrupt. If the whole tree is corrupt, are not its branches corrupt? If the Catholic religion is a false religion, how can any true religion come out of it? If the Catholic church is bad, how can any good thing come out of it! The character of the old churches have always been slandered by all apostates since the world began.

I testify again, as the Lord lives, God never will acknowledge any traitors or apostates. Any man who will betray the Catholics will betray you; and if he will betray me, he will betray you.
All men are liars who say they are of the true Church without the revelations of Jesus Christ and the Priesthood of Melchisedek, which is after the order of the Son of God.

It is in the order of heavenly things that God should always send a new dispensation into the world when men have apostatized from the truth and lost the priesthood; but when men come out and build upon other men's foundations, they do it on their own responsibility, without: authority from God; and when the floods come and the winds blow, their foundations will be found to be sand, and their whole fabric will crumble to dust.

Did I build on any other man's foundation? I have got all the truth which the Christian world possessed, and an independent revelation in the bargain, and God will bear me off triumphant.I will drop this subject. I wish I could speak for three or four hours; but it is not expedient on account of the rain: I would still go on, and show you proof upon proofs;
all the Bible is equal in support of this doctrine, one part as another.
Joseph Smith's Sermon On Plurality of Gods
(as printed in History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 473-479)

The Mormon Church isn't valid if Joseph Smith's claims can't be proved!!(Location of Hill Cumorah and The Garden of Eden)

"The validity of Mormonism rests upon the claims of Joseph Smith. When he was a young man, his family moved to the state of New York. Within a few miles of his home there was a hill, which Joseph Smith later called the Hill Cumorah. According to Joseph Smith, this was no ordinary hill, for on this hill two of the greatest battles in history were fought. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie says that 'both the Nephite and Jaredite civilizations fought their final great wars of extinction at and near the Hill Cumorah...which hill is located between Palmyra and Manchester in the western part of the state of New York. It was here that Moroni hid up the gold plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated' (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 175).

"After the Mormon church was organized, Joseph Smith gave a revelation which stated that the Saints were to gather at Jackson County, Missouri. To the Mormon leaders, this was no ordinary land; they taught that it was the place where the 'Garden of Eden' was located. Apostle McConkie explains: 'The early brethren of this dispensation taught that the Garden of Eden was located in what is known to us as the land of Zion, an area for which Jackson County, Missouri, is the center place' (Mormon Doctrine, p. 20).

"In Daviess County, Missouri, Joseph Smith found some rocks which he claimed were the remains of an altar built by Adam. McConkie continues: 'At that great gathering Adam offered sacrifices on an altar built for the purpose. A remnant of that very altar remained on the spot down through the ages. On May 19, 1838, Joseph Smith and a number of his associates stood on the remainder of the pile of stones at a place called Spring Hill, Daviess County, Missouri' (Mormon Doctrine, p. 21)....

Joseph Smith denied that he was a polygamist until the day he died!!(Also, see his polygamy denial above)

In a notice published in the Times and Seasons, February 1, 1844 (vol. 5, page 72),
Joseph Smith and his brother, Hyrum, publicly called polygamy a false and corrupt doctrine:

"As we have lately been credibly informed, that an Elder of the Church of Jesus Christ, of Latter-day Saints, by the name of Hiram Brown, has been preaching polygamy, and other false and corrupt doctrines, in the county of Lapeer, state of Michigan.

"This is to notify him and the Church in general, that he has been cut off from the church, for his iniquity; and he is further notified to appear at the Special Conference, on the 6th of April next, to make answer to these charges."

Brigham Young was clearly a deceiving liar as well. I wonder who he learned that from?

Although Brigham Young denied that he was guilty of counterfeiting, he admitted in the History of the Church that he had tricked the U.S. Marshall when he tried to arrest him for being a bogus maker:

"One-five p.m. Almon W. Babbitt came into the Temple and informed me that there were some federal officers from Springfield...in the city for the purpose of arresting some of the Twelve, especially Amasa Lyman and myself....

"
William Miller put on my cap and Brother Kimball's cloak and went downstairs meeting the marshal and his assistants at the door, as he was about getting into my carriage the marshal arrested him, on a writ from the United States court, charging him with counterfeiting the coin of the United States....

"The marshall put up at Hamilton's Tavern,... William Backenstos was called in and he told them William Miller was not Brigham Young....

"Eight-twenty. I left the Temple disguised..."
(History of the Church, vol. 7, pages 549-551

In a discourse delivered July 23, 1871, Brigham Young said that this was "one of the best jokes ever perpetrated." (Journal of Discourses, vol 14, pages 218-19)
In the same discourse, Brigham Young acknowledged that he had instructed William Miller on how to "trick" the U.S. Marshall.

Joseph Smith's Bar

In Nauvoo Joseph Smith sold liquor. The following ordinance relating to this matter was passed in 1843, Joseph Smith being mayor of Nauvoo at the time:

Ordinance on the Personal Sale of Liquors.

Section 1. Be it ordained by the City Council of Nauvoo, that the Mayor of the city be and is hereby authorized to sell or give spirits of any quantity as he in his wisdom shall judge to be for the health and comfort or convenience of such travelers or other persons as shall visit his house from time to time.
Passed December 12, 1843.
Joseph Smith, Mayor.
Willard Richards, Recorder. (History of the Church, vol. 6, p.111).

Joseph Smith's own son related the following:

About 1842, a new and larger house was built for us ... and a sign was put out giving it the dignified name of "The Nauvoo Mansion" ...Mother was to be installed as landlady, and soon made a trip to Saint Louis....

When she returned
Mother found installed in the keeping-room of the hotel - that is to say, the main room where the guests assembled and where they were received upon arrival - a bar, with counter, shelves, bottles, glasses and other paraphernalia customary for a fully-equipped tavern bar, and Porter Rockwell in charge as tender.

She was very much surprised and disturbed over this arrangement,...
"Joseph," she asked, "What is the meaning of that bar in this house? ... How does it look," she asked, "for the spiritual head of a religious body to be keeping a hotel in which is a room fitted out as a liquor-selling establishment?"

He reminded her that all taverns had their bars at which liquor was sold or dispensed....

Mother's reply came emphatically clear, though uttered quietly:
"Well, Joseph,... I will take my children and go across to the old house and stay there, for I will not have them raised up under such conditions as this arrangement imposes upon us, nor have them mingle with the kind of men who frequent such a place. You are at liberty to make your choice; either that bar goes out of the house, or we will!"

It did not take Father long to make the choice, for he replied immediately, "Very well, Emma; I will have it removed at once" - and he did (The Saints' Herald, January 22, 1935, p.110).

Brigham Young admits to Word of Wisdom problems:

Brigham Young declared on September 27, 1845: "... I am and ever intend to be the Master of my passions ... some may say that I am in the habits of taking snuff and tea yet I am no slave to these passions and can leave these off if they make my brother affronted...." In 1854 Brigham Young drank coffee on a regular basis (see Mormonism - Shadow or Reality? p.408). On April 7, 1867, Brigham Young acknowledged in the Tabernacle that he had chewed tobacco for many years: "... it is not my privilege to drink liquor, neither is it my privilege to eat tobacco. Well, bro. Brigham, have you not done it? Yes, for many years, but I ceased its habitual practice. I used it for toothache; now I am free from that pain, and my mouth is never stained with tobacco" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 12, p.404).

The Mormon Church clearly sold and bought liquor, tobacco, coffee, etc.

Stanley P. Hirshon writes:

In Utah the church dominated the liquor trade. In 1856 Caleb Green freighted six tons of tobacco, rum, whiskey, brandy, tea, and coffee across the plains for Young, and two years later The New York Times reported that the "principal drinking-saloon and gambling-room are in Salt Lake House, a building under the control of the Church and the immediate superintendency of Heber C. Kimball." ...Young tried his best to rid himself of rival brewers (The Lion of the Lord, p.285).

On June 7, 1863, Brigham Young acknowledged publicly that he had built a distillery:

"When there was no whisky to be had here, and we needed it for rational purposes, I built a house to make it in. When the distillery was almost completed and in good working order, an army was heard of in our vicinity and I shut up the works; I did not make a gallon of whisky at my works, because it came here in great quantities, more than was needed" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, p.206).

In his sermons Brigham Young occasionally discussed the idea of Mormons producing their own tea, coffee, tobacco and whiskey and making money from it:

You know that we all profess to believe the "Word of Wisdom." There has been a great deal said about it.... We as Latter-day Saints, care but little about tobacco: but as "Mormons" we use a great deal.... The traders and passing emigration have sold tons of tobacco, besides what is sold here regularly. I say that $60,000 annually is the smallest figure I can estimate the sales at. Tobacco can be raised here as well as it can be raised in any other place. It wants attention and care. If we use it, let us raise it here. I recommend for some man to go to raising tobacco.... go to and make a business of raising tobacco and stop sending money out of the territory for that article.... We annually expend only $60,000 to break the "Word of Wisdom," and we can save the money and still break it, if we will break it (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p.35).

The statement by Mormon Apostle George A. Smith would also lead a person to believe that wine was used to excess: "... after the people had fasted all day, they sent out and got wine and bread.... they ate and drank.... some of the High Counsel of Missouri stepped into the stand, and, as righteous Noah did when he awoke from his wine, commenced to curse their enemies (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.216).

Orson Pratt once quipped: "I do not wonder that the world say that the Latter-day Saints do not believe their own revelations. Why? Because we do not practice them" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 17, p.104).

Even the Mormon-owned Zions Cooperative Mercantile Institution (now known as ZCMI) sold the items forbidden in the Word of Wisdom. On October 7, 1873, George A. Smith, a member of the First Presidency, admitted: "We are doing a great business in tea, coffee, and tobacco in the Cooperative Store" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p.238).

In 1908 the Salt Lake Tribune accused the Mormon leaders of trying to monopolize the liquor business in Utah: "... the Mormon priesthood ... resisted to the utmost the establishment of liquor houses by Gentiles here for a good while, not because they were liquor houses, but because the Gentiles were getting the trade.... This fierce effort to retain the liquor traffic here as a monopoly of the church was quite in accord with the present status of affairs here where the church is running the biggest liquor business in the State, through its Z.C.M.I. drug store and also through the big liquor business done by Apostle Smoot in his drug store at Provo" (Salt Lake Tribune, July 14, 1908).

Brother Joseph, enjoying the fruits of the vine and the grains of the field:

"Called at the office and DRANK A GLASS OF WINE with Sister Jenetta Richards, made by her mother in England, and reviewed a portion of the conference minutes.”
(History of the Church,Vol. 5, p. 380)

“We then partook of some refreshments, and OUR HEARTS WERE MADE GLAD WITH THE FRUIT OF THE VINE.”
(History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 369)

"Elders Orson Hyde, Luke S. Johnson, and Warren Parrish, then presented the Presidency with three servers of glasses filled with WINE to bless. And it fell to my lot to attend to this duty, which I cheerfully discharged. It was then passed round in order, then the cake in the same order; and suffice it to say, OUR HEARTS WERE MADE GLAD while partaking of the bounty of earth which was presented, until we had taken our fill;..."
(History of the Church, Vol. 2, p. 378)

“April17.—
This day THE TWELVE blessed and DRANK A BOTTLE OF WINE at Penworthan, made by Mother Moon FORTY YEARS BEFORE.”
(History of the Church, Vol. 4, page 120)



Joseph continues to drink, even while in jail:

“Before the jailor came in, his boy brought in some water, and said the guard wanted some WINE. JOSEPH gave Dr. Richards two dollars to give the guard; but the guard said one was enough, and would take no more. “The guard immediately sent FOR A BOTTLE OF WINE, pipes, and two small papers of tobacco; and one of the guards brought them into the jail soon after the jailor went out. Dr. Richards uncorked the bottle, AND PRESENTED A GLASS TO JOSEPH, WHO TASTED, AS BROTHER TAYLOR AND THE DOCTOR, and the bottle was then given to the guard, who turned to go out.”
(History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 616)

"Sometime after dinner we sent for some WINE. It has been reported by some that this was taken as a sacrament. It was NO SUCH THING; our spirits were generally dull and heavy, and it was sent for to revive us.... I believe we all drank of the WINE, and gave some to one or two of the prison guards."
(John Taylor, in History of the Church, Vol. 7, page 101)

Brigham Young, on the widespread use of coffee, tea, liquor, and tobacco by Mormon bishops.

You go through the wards in the city, and then through the wards in the country, and ask the Bishops—'Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?' The reply will be 'YES; NO, NOT EXACTLY.' 'Do you drink tea?' 'No.' 'Coffee?' 'No.' 'Do you drink whisky?' 'No.' 'Well, then, why do you not observe the Word of Wisdom?' 'Well, this TOBACCO, I CANNOT GIVE IT UP.' And in this he sets an example to every man, and to every boy over ten years of age, in his ward, to nibble at and chew tobacco. You go to another ward, and perhaps the Bishop does not chew tobacco, nor drink tea nor coffee, but once in a while he takes A LITTLE SPIRITS, and keeps WHISKEY in his house, in which he will occasionally INDULGE— Go to another ward, and perhaps the Bishop does not drink whisky nor chew tobacco, but he 'CANNOT GIVE UP HIS TEA AND COFFEE.' And so it goes through the whole church. Not every Bishop indulges in one or more of these habits, but MOST OF THEM DO. I recollect being at a trial not long since where quite a number of Bishops had been called in as witnesses, but I could not learn that there WAS ONE WHO DID NOT DRINK WHISKEY, and I THINK THAT MOST OF THEM DRANK TEA AND COFFEE. I think that we have SOME BISHOPS in this city who do not chew tobacco, nor drink liquor nor tea nor coffee TO EXCESS....
If a person is weary, worn out, cast down, fainting, or dying, A BRANDY SLING, a little WINE, or a cup of TEA is good to revive them. DO NOT THROW THESE THINGS AWAY, AND SAY THEY MUST NEVER BE USED; they are good to be used with judgment, prudence, and discretion. Ask our BISHOPS IF THEY DRINK TEA EVERY DAY, AND IN MOST CASES THEY WILL TELL YOU THEY DO IF THEY CAN GET IT.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol.12, pp. 402-403)

Brigham Young, on how to chew tobacco in church:

“Many of the brethren chew tobacco, and I have advised them to be modest about it. Do not take out a WHOLE PLUG OF TOBACCO IN MEETING BEFORE THE EYES OF THE CONGREGATION, AND CUT OFF A LONG SLICE AND PUT IT IN YOUR MOUTH, to the annoyance of everybody around. Do not glory in this disgraceful practice. If you must use tobacco, put a small portion in your mouth when no person sees you, and be careful that no one sees you chew it. I do not charge you with sin. You have the'Word of Wisdom.' Read it.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 361)

Brigham puts an end to spitting tobacco in the Salt Lake Tabernacle:

“There is another subject I wish to refer to. Last Sabbath this front gallery,...was very full. After meeting was dismissed I took a walk through it, and to see the floor that had been occupied by those professing to be gentlemen, and I do not know but brethren, you might have supposed that cattle had been there rolling and standing around, for here and there were GREAT QUIDS OF TOBACCO, AND PLACES ONE OR TWO FEET SQUARE SMEARED WITH TOBACCO JUICE. I want to say to the doorkeepers that when you see gentlemen who cannot omit chewing and SPITTING WHILE IN THIS HOUSE, request them to leave; and
if such persons refuse to leave, and continue their spitting, just take them and lead them out carefully and kindly. We do not want to have the house thus defiled. It is an imposition for gentlemen to SPIT TOBACCO JUICE around, or to leave their QUIDS OF TOBACCO on the floor; they dirty the house, and if a lady happen to besmear the bottom of her dress, which can hardly be avoided, it is highly offensive. We therefore request ALL GENTLEMEN ATTENDING CONFERENCE TO OMIT TOBACCO CHEWING WHILE HERE.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 344)


Joseph F. Smith justifies the sale of coffee, tea, and liquor at the Mormon store ZCMI (He was president of ZCMI when he said this).

“Some of our pretended pious people, a few years ago, were shocked and horrified by seeing the symbol of the All-Seeing Eye and the words 'Holiness to the Lord' in gilt letters over the front of Zion's Cooperative Mercantile Institution. Especially was this the case with some of our brethren when they found these letters over the drug department of Z.C.M.I. Why was it? Why some of these pious (?) Mormons found that Z.C.M.I. UNDER THE SYMBOL OF THE ALL-SEEING EYE AND THE SACRED WORDS, 'HOLINESS TO THE LORD,' SOLD TEA AND COFFEE, AND TOBACCO, and other things possibly that Latter-day Saints ought not to use; and at the drug store, Z.C.M.I. KEPT LIQUORS of various kinds for medicinal purposes. It was terribly shocking to some of the Latter-day Saints that UNDER THESE HOLY WORDS LIQUOR SHOULD BE KEPT FOR SALE. Has it injured me, in any sense of the word, because Z.C.M.I. drug store kept LIQUOR for sale? Has it made me a drunkard? Have I been under the necessity of guzzling liquid poison? Have I made myself a sot because liquor was KEPT FOR SALE BY Z.C.M.I.? I am not the worse for it, thank the Lord. And who else is? No one, except those pious Mormons (?) who in open day or under the cover of night would go into the drug store and buy liquor to drink.... Those who were the most horrified at seeing the All-Seeing Eye and 'Holiness to the Lord' over the front door of Z.C.M.I., I will guarantee are the ONES THAT HAVE BOUGHT THE MOST TEA AND COFFEE, TOBACCO AND WHISKEY THERE.... It does not matter to me how much tea and coffee Z.C.M.I. sells, so long as I do not buy it. If I do not drink it am I not all right? And if the poor creature that wants it can get it there, that ought to satisfy him. IF HE COULD NOT GET IT THERE, HE WOULD NOT PATRONIZE Z.C.M.I. AT ALL, BUT WOULD GO SOME WHERE ELSE TO DEAL.” (Conference Report, April 1898, page 11)

More on denouncing and denying polygamy

In the 1835 edition of the canonized Doctrine and Covenants, section 104 denounced polygamy:

“Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with the CRIME of fornication, and POLYGAMY: we declare that we believe, that ONE man should have ONE WIFE; and one woman, but one husband, except in the case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again.”
(D&C 104, until 1876 edition, when it was removed)

Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger. Also, trying to convince Emma that God had indeed commanded him to marry and screw other women.

In a January 21, 1838 letter, Oliver Cowdery, Joseph Smith's right-hand man from the early beginnings of the church, accuses Joseph of having an illicit affair with Fanny Alger:

“When he [Joseph Smith] was there we had some conversation in which in every instance I did not fail to affirm that what I had said was strictly true. A DIRTY, NASTY, FILTHY AFFAIR OF HIS AND FANNY ALGER'S was talked over in which I strictly declared that I had never deviated from the truth in the matter, and as I supposed was admitted by himself.”
(Letter written by Oliver Cowdery and recorded by his brother Warren Cowdery; see photograph in The Mormon Kingdom, Vol. 1, page 27)

Joseph Smith's scribe, William Clayton, related how Joseph tried to convince his wife Emma that God told him to have lots of women:

“On the morning of the 12th of July, 1843; Joseph and Hyrum Smith came into the office...
They were talking on the subject of plural marriage. Hyrum said to Joseph, 'If you will write the revelation on celestial marriage, I will take it and read it to Emma, and I believe I can convince her of its truth, and you will hereafter have peace.' Joseph smiled and remarked, 'YOU DO NOT KNOW EMMA AS WELL AS I DO.'... Joseph then said, 'Well, I will write the revelation and we shall see.'... Hyrum then took the revelation to read to Emma. Joseph remained with me in the office until Hyrum returned. When he came back, Joseph asked how he had succeeded. Hyrum replied that HE HAD NEVER RECEIVED A MORE SEVERE TALKING TO IN HIS LIFE,... “Joseph quietly remarked, 'I told you you did not know Emma as well as I did.' Joseph then put the revelation in his pocket, and they both left the office. “... Two or three days after the revelation was written Joseph related to me and several others that Emma had so teased, and urgently entreated him for the privilege of destroying it, that he became so weary of her teasing, and to get rid of her annoyance, he told her she might destroy it and she had done so, but he had consented to her wish in this matter to pacify her, realizing that he...could rewrite it at any time if necessary.”
(History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Introduction to Vol. 5)

Brigham Young tells how incensed Joseph's wife Emma was about polygamy:

Emma took that revelation, supposing she had all there was; but Joseph had wisdom enough to take care of it, and he had handed the revelation to Bishop Whitney, and he wrote it all off. After Joseph had been to Bishop Whitney's he went home, and Emma began to tease him for the revelation. Said she—'Joseph you promised me that revelation, and if you are a man of your word you will give it to me.' Joseph took it from his pocket and said— 'Take it.' She went to the fireplace and put it in, and put the candle under it and burnt it, and she thought that was the end of it, AND SHE WILL BE DAMNED as sure as she is a living woman. Joseph used to say that he would have her hereafter, IF HE HAD TO GO TO HELL FOR HER, AND HE WILL HAVE TO GO TO HELL FOR HER AS SURE AS HE EVER GETS HER.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 17, p. 159)

Brigham Young gives Mormon women 2 week ultimatum to quit complaining about polygamy:

“Now for my proposition; it is more particularly for my sisters, as it is frequently happening that women say they are UNHAPPY. Men will say, 'My wife, though a most excellent woman, has NOT SEEN A HAPPY DAY SINCE I TOOK MY SECOND WIFE,' 'No, NOT A HAPPY DAY FOR A YEAR,' says one; and another HAS NOT SEEN A HAPPY DAY FOR FIVE YEARS. It is said that women are tied down and abused: that they are misused and have not the liberty they ought to have; that many of them ARE WADING THROUGH A PERFECT FLOOD OF TEARS,...

“I wish my own women to understand that what I am going to say is for them as well as others, and I want those who are here to tell their sisters, yes, all the women of this community, and then write it back to the States, and do as you please with it. I am going to give you from this time to the 6th day of October next, for reflection, that you may determine whether you wish to stay with your husbands or not, and then I am going TO SET EVERY WOMAN AT LIBERTY and say to them, Now go your way, MY WOMEN WITH THE REST, go your way. AND MY WIVES have go to do one of two things; either round up their shoulders to endure the afflictions of this world, and live their religion, OR THEY MAY LEAVE, for I will not have them about me. I will go into heaven alone, rather than have SCRATCHING AND FIGHTING AROUND ME. I WILL SET ALL AT LIBERTY. 'WHAT, FIRST WIFE TOO?' YES, I WILL LIBERATE YOU ALL....

“I wish my women, and brother Kimball's and brother Grant's to leave, and every woman in this Territory, or else say in their hearts that they will embrace the Gospel —the whole of it....say to your wives, 'Take all that I have and be set at liberty; but if you stay with me you shall comply with the law of God, and that too WITHOUT ANY MURMURING AND WHINING. You must fulfill the law of God in every respect, and round up your shoulders to WALK UP TO THE MARK WITHOUT ANY GRUNTING.' “Now recollect that two weeks from to morrow I am going to set you at liberty. But the first wife will say, 'It is hard, for I have lived with my husband twenty years, or thirty, and have raised a family of children for him, and it is a great trial to me for him to have more women;' then I say IT IS TIME THAT YOU GAVE HIM UP TO OTHER WOMEN WHO WILL BEAR CHILDREN. If my wife had borne me all the children that she ever would bare, the celestial law would teach me TO TAKE YOUNG WOMEN that would have children....
“SISTERS, I AM NOT JOKING, I do not throw out my proposition to banter your feelings, to see whether you will leave your husbands, all or any of you. BUT I KNOW THAT THERE IS NO CESSATION TO THE EVERLASTING WHINING OF MANY OF THE WOMEN IN THIS TERRITORY; I am satisfied that this is the case.
And if the women will turn from the commandments of God and continue to despise the order of heaven, I will pray that the curse of the Almighty may be close to their heals, and that it may be following them all the day long....
“Prepare yourselves for two weeks from to morrow; and I will tell you now, that if you will tarry with your husbands, after I HAVE SET YOU FREE, YOU MUST BOW DOWN TO IT, and SUBMIT yourselves to the CELESTIAL LAW. You may go where you please, after two weeks from to-morrow; but, remember, that I WILL NOT HEAR ANY MORE OF THIS WHINING.”
(Sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4., pp. 55-57; also printed in Deseret News, Vol. 6, pp. 235-236)

Brigham Young brags about his virility:

“Brother Cannon remarked that people wondered how many wives and children I had. He may inform them, that
I SHALL HAVE WIVES AND CHILDREN BY THE MILLION, and glory, and riches and power and dominion, and kingdom after kingdom, and reign triumphantly.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, page 178)

“I could prove to this congregation that I AM YOUNG; for I could FIND MORE GIRLS WHO WOULD CHOOSE ME FOR A HUSBAND THAN CAN ANY OF THE YOUNG MEN.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, page 210)

“The next man who came on to the carpet wanted to know HOW MANY WIVES BROTHER BRIGHAM HAD. I replied, '... I will guess, if that will do you any good....if I may judge from APPEARANCES, I SHOULD PRESUME HE HAS SOME FIFTY OR SIXTY.'“
(Mormon Apostle Ezra T. Benson, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, pages 80-81)

Heber C. Kimball, second councilor to Brigham Young, on how monogamy makes a man wither and dry up:

“I have noticed that a man who has BUT ONE WIFE, and is inclined to that doctrine, soon begins to WITHER AND DRY UP, while a man who goes into PLURALITY looks fresh, YOUNG AND SPRIGHTLY. Why is this? Because God loves that man, and because he honors his word. Some of you may not believe this, but I not only believe it but I also know it. FOR A MAN OF GOD TO BE CONFINED TO ONE WOMAN IS SMALL BUSINESS,... I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD DO IF WE HAD ONLY ONE WIFE APIECE.” (Deseret News, April 22, 1857)

George A. Smith - Monogamists should be ashamed:

“We breathe the free air, we have the best looking men and handsomest women, and if they envy us our position, well they may, for they are a poor, NARROW MINDED, PINCH-BACKED RACE OF MEN, WHO CHAIN THEMSELVES DOWN TO THE LAW OF MONOGAMY AND LIVE ALL THEIR DAYS UNDER THE DOMINION OF ONE WIFE. They ought to be ASHAMED OF SUCH CONDUCT, and the still fouler channel which flows from their practices; and it is not to be wondered at that they should envy those who so much better understand the social relations.” (Deseret News, April 16, 1856)

Brigham Young - Monogamy is the source of prostitution and whoredom:

“Since the founding of the Roman empire monogamy has prevailed more extensively than in times previous to that. The founders of that ancient empire were robbers and women stealers, and made laws favoring monogamy in consequence of the scarcity of women among them, and hence
this MONOGAMIC SYSTEM which now prevails throughout Christendom, and which had been so fruitful a source of PROSTITUTION AND WHOREDOM throughout all the Christian monogamic cities of the Old and New World, until rottenness and decay are at the root of their institutions both national and religious.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, p. 128)

From the Mormon church paper "millennial star":

“... THE ONE-WIFE SYSTEM NOT ONLY DEGENERATES THE HUMAN FAMILY, BOTH PHYSICALLY AND INTELLECTUALLY, but it is entirely incompatible with philosophical notions of immortality; IT IS A LURE TO TEMPTATION, AND HAS ALWAYS PROVED A CURSE TO A PEOPLE.” (Millennial Star, Vol. 15, p. 227)

George Q. Cannon - Monogamy responsible for the decline and fall of the Roman Empire:

“It is a fact worthy of note that the shortest lived nations of which we have record have been monogamic. Rome...was a MONOGAMIC NATION AND THE NUMEROUS EVILS ATTENDING THAT SYSTEM EARLY LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR THAT RUIN WHICH EVENTUALLY OVERTOOK HER.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 202)

Apostle Orson Pratt:

“This law of MONOGAMY, or the MONOGAMIC SYSTEM, laid the foundation for prostitution and the evils and diseases of the most revolting nature and character under which modern Christendom groans,...”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 195)

Brigham Young - Adam was a polygamist:

“Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and Sinner! When OUR FATHER ADAM came into the the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, ONE OF HIS WIVES WITH HIM.”
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 50)

Apostle Orson Hyde:

“I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN.
(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 210)

Brigham Young, answering critics who claimed polygamy as a relic of barbarism:

“ Yes, one of the relics of Adam, of Enoch, of Noah, of Abraham, of Isaac, of Jacob, of Moses, David, Solomon, the Prophets, OF JESUS, AND HIS APOSTLES.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 328)

Brigham Young:

“The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not now who they were, unless HIS WIVES AND CHILDREN;...” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 309)

Apostle Orson Pratt:

“...it will be seen that the GREAT MESSIAH who was the founder of the Christian religion, WAS A POLYGAMIST, ...the MESSIAH chose...by MARRYING MANY honorable WIVES himself, show to all future generations that HE approbated the PLURALITY OF WIVES under the Christian dispensation, as well as under the dispensation in which His Polygamist ancestors lived. “We have now clearly shown that GOD THE FATHER HAD A PLURALITY OF WIVES, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His first Born, and another being upon the earth by whom He begat the tabernacle of Jesus, as his only begotten in this world. We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings' daughters and many honorable wives were to be married We have also proved that both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit THEIR WIVES IN ETERNITY as well as in time;... And then it would be so shocking to the modesty of the very pious ladies of Christendom to see Abraham and his wives, Jacob and his wives, JESUS AND HIS HONORABLE WIVES, all eating occasionally at the same table, and visiting one another, and conversing about their numerous children and their kingdoms. Oh, ye delicate ladies of Christendom how can you endure such a scene as this?... If you do not want your morals corrupted, and your delicate ears shocked, and your pious modesty put to the blush by the society of POLYGAMISTS and their wives, do not venture near the New Earth; for POLYGAMISTS will be honored there, and will be among the chief rulers in that Kingdom.”
(The Seer, page 172)

Brigham Young - To become a god, one must be a polygamist:

The ONLY MEN WHO BECOME GODS, even the Sons of God, are those WHO ENTER INTO POLYGAMY.(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 269)

Brigham Young teaches when one should stab their brother and their wife:

“Let me suppose a case. Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and PUT A JAVELIN THROUGH BOTH OF THEM, YOU WOULD BE JUSTIFIED, AND THEY WOULD ATONE FOR THEIR SINS, AND BE RECEIVED INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would DO IT WITH CLEAN HANDS... “There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, YOUR OWN BLOOD MUST ATONE FOR IT;...” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247)

Joseph Smith prefers cutting heads off over hanging people:

“In debate, George A. Smith said imprisonment was better than hanging. “I replied, I was opposed to hanging, even if a man kill another, I WILL SHOOT HIM, OR CUT OFF HIS HEAD, SPILL HIS BLOOD on the ground, and let the smoke thereof ascend up to God; and if ever I have the privilege of making a law on that subject, I will have it so.” (History of the Church, by Joseph Smith, Vol. 5, p. 296

Brigham Young said that if some people knew what was good for them, they would beg the Mormons to kill them:

“And furthermore, I know that there are transgressors, who, if they knew themselves, and the ONLY CONDITION upon which they can obtain forgiveness, WOULD BEG OF THEIR BRETHREN TO SHED THEIR BLOOD, that the smoke thereof might ascend to God as an OFFERING to appease the wrath that is kindled against them, and that the law might have its course. (Sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses,Vol. 4, pages 53-54; also published in the Deseret News, 1856, page 235)

Brigham Young said that Blood must be spilled or sins will stick to a man:

“There are sins that men commit for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world, or in that which is to come, and if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to HAVE THEIR BLOOD SPILT upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might ascend to heaven as an OFFERING FOR THEIR SINS; and the smoking incense would ATONE for their sins, whereas, if such is not the case, they will stick to them and remain upon them in the spirit world. (Sermon by Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses,Vol. 4, pages 53-54; also published in the Deseret News, 1856, page 235)

Heber C. Kimball, a member of the First Presidency, said that Exmormons will have their bowels kicked out: (I guess that I can look forward to someone kicking my bowels out.)

"Judas lost that saving principle, and they took him and killed him. It is said in the Bible that his bowels gushed out; but they actually KICKED HIM until his bowels came out. "'I will suffer my bowels to be taken out before I will forfeit the covenant I have made with Him and my brethren.' Do you understand me? Judas was like salt that had lost its saving principles—good for nothing but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.... It is so with you, ye Elders of Israel, when you forfeit your covenants.... I know the day is right at hand when men will forfeit their Priesthood and turn against us and against the covenants they have made, and they will be DESTROYED as Judas was. (December 13,1857 in the Salt Lake Tabernacle, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, pages 125-126)

Women's closest relative must kill her seducer:

“The principle, the only one that beats and throbs through the heart of the entire inhabitants of this Territory, is simply this: The man who seduces his neighbors wife MUST DIE, and her nearest relative MUST KILL HIM!” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 97)

Shooting people is as important as baptizing them:

If you will cause all those whom you know to be THIEVES, to be placed in a line before the mouth of one of our largest CANNON, well loaded with chain shot, I WILL PROVE BY MY WORKS WHETHER I CAN METE OUT JUSTICE to such persons, or not. I WOULD CONSIDER IT JUST AS MUCH MY DUTY TO DO THAT, AS TO BAPTIZE A MAN for the remission of his sins. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, pp. 108-109)

Non-believers must die:

“The time is coming when justice will be laid to the line and righteousness to the plummet; when we shall ask, 'Are you for God?' and if you are not heartily on the Lord's side, YOU WILL BE HEWN DOWN.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, page 226)

Counterfeiters must die:

We investigated several orders purporting to be drawn by J. Allen, Lieut. Col., signed by James Pollick; which I requested should be burned. I swore by the Eternal Gods that if men in our midst would not stop this cursed work of stealing and counterfeiting THEIR THROATS SHOULD BE CUT.” (“Manuscript History of Brigham Young,” Feb. 24, 1847, typed copy)

Interracial couples must die:

“Shall I tell you the LAW OF GOD in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the PENALTY, under the LAW OF GOD IS DEATH ON THE SPOT. This will ALWAYS BE SO.” (Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 110)

Any man having children with a black woman must be beheaded, and his children must be killed:

“And if any man mingle his seed with the seed of Cane [sic] the ownly [sic] way he could get rid of it or have salvation would be to come forward and have his head cut off & spill his Blood upon the ground it would also take the life of his children...” (Wilford Woodruff's Journal, recording a speech by Brigham Young, January 16, 1852, typed copy; original located in LDS Church Archives).

Brigham Young: Apostates must leave Salt Lake City, or they must die:

I say, rather than that APOSTATES should flourish here, I WILL UNSHEATH MY BOWIE KNIFE, and CONQUER OR DIE. (Great commotion in the congregation, and a simultaneous burst of feeling, assenting to the declaration.) Now, you nasty apostates, clear out, or judgment will be put to the line, and righteousness to the plummet. (Voices, generally, 'go it, go it.') If you say it is right, raise your hands. (All hands up.) Let us call upon the Lord to assist us in this, and every good work.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 83)

Do you love your brothers and sisters enough to kill them?

“All mankind love themselves, and let these principles be known by an individual, and he would be GLAD to have HIS BLOOD SHED. That would be loving themselves, even unto an eternal exaltation. Will you LOVE your brothers or sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the SHEDDING OF THEIR BLOOD? WILL YOU LOVE THAT MAN OR WOMAN WELL ENOUGH TO SHED THEIR BLOOD?... “I COULD REFER YOU TO PLENTY OF INSTANCES WHERE MEN HAVE BEEN RIGHTEOUSLY SLAIN, IN ORDER TO ATONE FOR THEIR SINS. I have seen scores and hundreds of people for whom there would have been a chance (in the last resurrection there will be) if their lives HAD BEEN TAKEN AND THEIR BLOOD SPILLED on the ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but who are now angels to the devil... I have known a great many men who LEFT THIS CHURCH for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, but if their BLOOD HAD BEEN SPILLED, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER FOR THEM, the wickedness and IGNORANCE of the nations forbids this principle's being in FULL FORCE, but THE TIME WILL COME WHEN THE LAW OF GOD WILL BE IN FULL FORCE. (Sermon by Brigham Young, delivered in the Mormon Tabernacle, Feb. 8, 1857, printed in the Deseret News, Feb. 18, 1857; also reprinted in the Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pp. 219-220)

The way to love your neighbors is to kill them:

“THIS IS LOVING OUR NEIGHBOR AS OURSELVES; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is NECESSARY TO SPILL HIS BLOOD on the earth in order that he may be saved, SPILL IT. Any of you who understand the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin REQUIRING THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood SHOULD BE SPILLED, that you might gain that salvation you desire. THAT IS THE WAY TO LOVE MANKIND.” (Sermon by Brigham Young, delivered in the Mormon Tabernacle, Feb. 8, 1857, printed in the Deseret News, Feb. 18, 1857; also reprinted in the Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, pp. 219-220)

Mormon prophet nearly stabs a man with his pocket knife , thinking he might say something disagreeable:

“About 4:30 p.m. this meeting adjourned and was followed by a meeting of Presidents Woodruff, Cannon and SMITH and Bros. Lyman and Grant....Bro. JOSEPH F. SMITH was traveling some years ago near Carthage when he met a man who said he had just arrived five minutes too late to see the Smiths killed. Instantly a dark cloud seemed to overshadow Bro. Smith and he asked how this man looked upon the deed. Bro. S. was oppressed by a most horrible feeling as he waited for a reply. After a brief pause the man answered, 'Just as I have always looked upon it—that it was a d—d cold-blooded murder.' The cloud immediately lifted from Bro. Smith and he found that he had his OPEN POCKET KNIFE GRASPED IN HIS HAND in his pocket, and he believes that had this man given his approval to that murder of the prophets HE WOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY STRUCK HIM TO THE HEART.” (Daily Journal of Abraham H. Cannon, Dec. 6, 1889, pages 205-206 )

BYU history professor refers to a specific case of blood atonement:

“To whatever extent the preaching on BLOOD ATONEMENT may have influenced action, it would have been in relation to Mormon disciplinary action among its own members. In point would be a verbally reported case of a Mr. Johnson in Cedar City who was found guilty of adultery with his step-daughter by a BISHOP'S COURT and SENTENCED TO DEATH FOR ATONEMENT OF HIS SIN. According to the report of reputable EYEWITNESSES, judgment was executed with consent of the offender who went to his UNCONSECRATED GRAVE IN FULL CONFIDENCE OF SALVATION THROUGH THE SHEDDING OF HIS BLOOD. Such a case, however primitive, is understandable within the meaning of the doctrine and the emotional extremes of the Reformation.” (Utah Historical Quarterly, January 1958, p.62, footnote 39)

Well, that's enough for now!! It makes me sick to read such evil, awful things, so I'm gonna end this post. I feel like throwing up!! Are you kidding me? Brigham Young has a monument in Salt Lake and the modern day Prophets and Apostles revere this evil, rotten, son of a bitch?!! Next time they quote this evil bastard in conference, I hope that they quote some of these teachings for a change. People speculate that he may have been poisoned and that is why he died. I for one say that I hope he was poisoned and that it was a horrible painful death!!


Brigham Young was nothing but an evil vile man who delighted in killing and the death of others and justified it in the name of God. I hope that you enjoy your life Briggy, with Satan in hell. I heard that he needed a few good leaders and you seem to fit the bill perfectly. All I can say if this evil son of a bitch made it into heaven, then everybody reading this post should most likely make it with no problems!! Sorry for the language but these quotes and teachings just infuriate me. What in infuriates me even more, is that the Modern Day Mormon Church leaders, especially the Prophet Hinckley, have never asked for any forgiveness of any of these quotes, teachings or statements. This alone proves the Mormon Church to be a complete and total fraud. A true Church of God would not teach these things!!

With that being said, all I can conclude, is that the modern day Mormon Church, stands behind every statement above that you just read. If they didn't, wouldn't they say it publicly? After all, they still sell The History Of The Church and The Journal of Discourses at their Deseret Bookstore and they are the ones that created it and printed it. I called Deseret Book the other day and was told that they are currently creating a paperback edition of The Journal of Discourses that it is being printed as we speak. I wonder if they are going to edit it? I doubt it, when they still believe the teachings. I want to thank the "
Tanners" for their website and also the website "Real Mormon History" as a reference for many of the quotes above.

As I mentioned in the beginning, there will be many more editions to come on the Mormon Hall of Shame!! Frankly, after reading these quotes and many others that I will share in the future, I can only conclude two things; it's amazing that the Mormon Church even exists at all, in any form, and that it's pretty obvious that the real world in general, doesn't know or hasn't heard these quotes and teachings.


I'm gonna personally see to it that that changes in the very near future!! There is enough ammunition in just the teachings and history of the Mormon Church to easily bring it to its knees if we can just get it out there to the mainstream. If we can get this information distributed across the Internet and the world, I guarantee that the Mormon Church as we now know it, will not exist very long. You will always have your die-hard lunatics that wouldn't leave no matter what but we can help get everybody else out of the Church and it will, by all intents and purposes, fall hard. If these comments become well known around the world and by powerful news agencies, the Mormon Church will be forced to respond.

My guess is that if they don't still believe these teachings, they can't really deny them because that would make Brigham Young and many other Prophets and Apostles, false and frauds, starting with Joseph Smith himself. If he is a fraud, along with so many others, than all we can really conclude, is that the entire Mormon Church, from it's inception right up to this moment, has been and is a complete and total fraud!! Feel free to share this information with as many people as you can!!

The Mormon Church must answer for their past sins and be held accountable, just like they hold members accountable for minor things such as masturbation, fornication, drinking, etc. Give me a break!! Those things pale in comparison to the sins of the Mormon Church and it's dark past. To this day, they have never admitted to or asked the people to forgive them for these sins and horrilbe things. Talk about skeletons in the closet!! They have enough for everybody!!They answer to nobody and it's time that that changes!!

Let's hold this evil cult called the Mormon Church, accountable for their sins, for once and for all. They owe the world an explanation on their dark evil past and why they have purposely defrauded millions of people while robbing them of 10% or their income. I want to see Hinckley in a press conference, getting grilled by reporters. Maybe I'm just dreaming, but I truly believe that it will happen at some point.

Mark my words, the day will come in the near future, where they will indeed have to publicly answer for their transgressions and the whole world will know, finally, that they are indeed a fraud and not "the one and only true Church of Jesus Christ" on the face of the earth!!

Samuel the Utahnite

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15 Comments:

At Friday, November 03, 2006 11:54:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is such a waste of time, do something worth while with your life.

 
At Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:14:00 AM, Blogger mntnman444 said...

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At Wednesday, November 29, 2006 2:57:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares? Why does the Mormon church need to "answer for their past transgressions" to the world? Why doesn't the Catholic church do that? Or any other religion, for that matter? Every religion, every country (including the United States) has dark things in their past. Are Mormons killing people now? Are they hunting their neighbors? I've got some mormon friends and I just don't see them as being as evil as you say they are.

 
At Sunday, January 14, 2007 8:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

obviously you don't know the "real truth" as you say you do, because if you did you wouldn't be wasting your precious time on trying to exploit others, let people be happy and maybe someday you'll find happiness as well....until then good luck

 
At Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:56:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I've got some mormon friends and I just don't see them as being as evil as you say they are."
kudos to you! I also have mormon friends and family members, I did choose to leave the church and I do think the quotes in this thread show disturbing things about the church doctrine, then and now. I DO NOT see the people in this church as evil! I do see the church as having difficulty proving iteslf through all of its contradictions. I am glad that I live in a country that allows people to believe whatever they want and practice that belief without persecution. If you are LDS and struggling with its truth, I invite you to explore that, just dont give up on yourself, friends, family, or God in the process!

 
At Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:28:00 PM, Anonymous Rosa said...

I only wish that all those people in Brazil who, like me, were lied to and became members of the pernicious cult that mormonism is, were able to have access to the information that your site provides.
Thanks!
Rosa.

 
At Friday, December 07, 2007 9:12:00 PM, Anonymous Road Runner said...

It surely is a shame that people like you think you are looking at an orange or a peach when it is clearly an apple. but since it is in a pile of oranges or peaches... it must not be an apple. I for one doubt that you are educated enough to even understand what I am telling you.

 
At Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:48:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do Mormons always resort to insults and mud slinging when they are faced with unattractive truths. It is so transparant. If you don't like the message, kill the messenger. How dishonest is that?

 
At Sunday, October 05, 2008 5:57:00 PM, OpenID cherryndpndnt said...

I am so sorry that you have fallen away from the true gospel. If what you said is true, that you were a firm member for 30 years and had a testimony of the truth of the church, I pray that you might rethink your accusations and examine the validity of the "evidence" which you provide here. Please remember that if any of these quotes were truly spoken by the prophets, that they were imperfect human beings just like the rest of us and may not have always been guided by the spirit in every word they ever said. They made mistakes just like the rest of us. I encourage you to not let the hatred of the world come between you and your eternal salvation.

Best Wishes,
Your fellow servant in Christ

 
At Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:23:00 AM, Blogger Molly Rencher said...

I think you need to think things through before spouting off what you think is true, we don't bash your religion, you shouldn't bash ours.... it's as simple as that...

 
At Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:51:00 AM, Blogger Samuel the Utahnite said...

I need to think things through? You're the one who belongs to the damn MORmON cult and won't stop harassing the world with your 50,000+ missionaries, who lie and deceive on a daily basis!!

I bash hate and hate is your religion!!

Do you not believe that the quotes I've posted here are REAL QUOTES, from your PRophets and ASSpostles, directly from your "Journal Of Discourses", which is quoted in modern day General Conferences, by your current PRophet and ASSpostles?!!

Do me a favor Molly MORmON/Jolly Rancher and defend and explain this specific quote, by your beloved 2nd PRophet and despicable human trash Brigham Young:

“Shall I tell you the LAW OF GOD in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the PENALTY, under the LAW OF GOD IS DEATH ON THE SPOT. This will ALWAYS BE SO.” (Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 110)

I can't wait for your response, since YOUR PRophet who "doesn't bash others", is promoting the EXECUTION of any interracial couples that involve a black person.

I can only hope that your outrage against me is just as damning against Brigham Young, for his hate and bigotry...it is truly just that simple, isn't it?

It's really amazing when brainwashed MORmONS like you, condemn me, for condemning the hate, racism and bigotry(which you support, justify and defend) that your cult has taught and promoted for 179 years now and counting. You make me SICK!!

WAKE UP!!

The Utahnite

 
At Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:30:00 AM, Blogger Rebecca said...

You truly make me sad. You accuse the LDS church and its doctrine of being of hatred, which shows that you are obviously very lost and miss lead. The Doctrine is perfect the members are not, that is something we must all remember, NO ONE IS PERFECT except Christ. I know that if you were to humble your self and step of your soap box of hatred and read the book of Mormon and pray about it you would find it is true and find peace. It is so clear that your soul is in torture. I pray that you find your way back to the comfort and love of Christ your savior.

You are in my Prayers

 
At Sunday, December 12, 2010 3:46:00 PM, Blogger Dan said...

I know a Mormon guy who dogged a sweet nonmormon woman. She suffered a personal crisis. He took advantage of the situation by introducing his 'religion'. This wrecked an ongoing relationship between her an a nonmormon guy who lost his job due to the economy. He inundated her with missionaries and activities for months. Really confused her. Now he's dating her. Here's the deal. He is still married, but is screwing around with other women. He is good friends with the Ward Bishop and therefore everybody is looking the other way. He is separated from a crazy wife which seems to justify his adultery. It would be nice if he got caught in his hypocrisy. His name is Steven R. Garcia from Fresno Alluvial Ward. I guess religious hypocrisy is OK long as he steps on non Mormons. I’m sure this is good for the Mormon PR.

 
At Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:20:00 AM, Blogger kitkatkrazt01 said...

I am a Mormon and I do not appreciate practically anything written here. We are an organized religion, not a cult. We are a members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Joseph Smith was a TRUE and HONEST man! He did not lie to the people that he lead. Have you ever thouhgt of all the wonderful things that happened to the pioneers that traveled for months to get to Salt Lake city? Did you know that after praying to God when they were starving they came out of their tents and found tons of birds that were easy to catch? Did you ever think that some of these things could be true? We have a bible just like any other religion. Why do you say that we are a cult? Everyone that is a member of our church is not perfect. But everyone in the WORLD is not perfect either. We worship our prophet because he has the ability to speak for God on earth. We have The Book Of Mormon as scripture because Mormon was the prophet who wrote it under the direction of God. Have you ever read it? If not, how can you judge it? When I read our Bible or our Book Of Mormon I feel peace. When I pray I feel the Spirit. I KNOW that the Mormon religion is TRUE! I am NOT saying this because other people say it. I am saying it becasue I honestly believe it. I have felt an assurance in my heart and have felt a testimony of its truth. Please, author of this blog, do not mock us. You say that you are out to find something that proves that we are liars but the truth is, you will not ever find anything. The time that you waste looking could be used in so many other ways! You can look if you want but there will be nothing for you. The people of The Church of Jesus Christ are good people. We make mistakes but when you look at the big picture, everyone does. The people of the Church are NOT evil! I hope you all can see the basis of our Church now.

 
At Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:19:00 PM, Blogger Anti mormon said...

Good to see some people actually creating a push back on this hideous behavior I see from my fellow mammals. Joseph Smith was a fraud who was convicted of being an impostor. I even have to admit that my mother and brother has been so gullible into believing this hunk of nonsense, from the ridiculous idea that we existed in a life before this in spiritual form to one day be judged and then sent to a star system. I find nothing moral about the bible nor the book of mormon. Kinda like how Nephi was commanded by an angel of god to slay King Laban... where Nephi broke at least on of the ten commandments. To leave that alone.... the chucrch wouldn't even let a black man hold the priesthood until the late 70's.... which is a few years too late behind the civil rights movement - coincidently. But what makes me really sick is that they baptize young children when the children know nothing else about religious philosophies or ideologies. Then they send them on missions when they still don't have a mature mind. While the church is preaching compassion and brotherhood and raking in millions of dollars doing this. Then the whole utah legislature and church officials are all mormon mobsters that are just finding loopholes where ever they can to fill there pockets even more....better yet tax free!!! THIS NEEDS TO BE STOPPED!!! I know my enemy when I see them.... and that is this so called church of jesus christ of later day saints (a true racket).

 

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