My opinion on Boyd K Packer, his exact words regarding funerals, whitewashing and respecting each other as we each recover!!
***Update-I know that many of you have found this talk when looking up David A. Bednar, because I mention him and his ridiculous talk on earrings, in this post. Here is the link to the complete post that I wrote specifically about that talk, with the links, for both the text and the audio, so that you can listen to and read it for yourself.***
I just wanted to take the opportunity to reprint exactly what Boyd K. Packer said about funerals. This thread was inspired by the "A Mormon Funeral" thread by Moroni's pizza but something that I have been pondering for months. I was finding my way out of the "Mormon cult" when I first discovered it and read it and it deeply offended me. I had just lost a loved one, had to do battle with a Bishop over every detail of the funeral and then to read these words, well, there aren't words to describe what I felt and thought about this piece of garbage, Boyd K. Packer. Now I understood where my Bishop had been coming from. I researched it this morning, and isn't it amazing that this talk no longer exists on the Churches speeches website. It is gone!!
Just another modern day "whitewash" of Mormon History. But I have included a link to an official Church site where it mentions the talk in a course of religion that was taught by none other than David A Bednar, TEACHINGS OF THE LIVING PROPHETS Religion 333, Fall 2004, I'm assuming at BYU Idaho, since he was the Pres. According to the Official public Mormon Church, this talk now does not exist. But it was required reading, this talk, during week 4 of the course in 2004:
"The Unwritten Order of Things," a devotional address delivered at Brigham Young University on 15 October 1996. (reserve)
Here are Boyd K. Packer's exact words regarding funerals how they should be handled and what their "real" purpose is:
Another point of order: Bishops should not yield the arrangement of meetings to members. They should not yield the arrangement for funerals or missionary farewells to families. It is not the proper order of things for members or families to expect to decide who will speak and for how long. Suggestions are in order, of course, but the bishop should not turn the meeting over to them. We are worried about the drift that is occurring in our meetings.
Funerals could and should be the most spiritually impressive. They are becoming informal family reunions in front of ward members. Often the Spirit is repulsed by humorous experiences or jokes when the time could be devoted to teaching the things of the Spirit, even the sacred things.
When the family insists that several family members speak in a funeral, we hear about the deceased instead of about the Atonement, the Resurrection, and the comforting promises revealed in the scriptures. Now it's all right to have a family member speak at a funeral, but if they do, their remarks should be in keeping with the spirit of the meeting.
I have told my Brethren in that day when my funeral is held, if any of them who speak talk about me, I will raise up and correct them. The gospel is to be preached. I know of no meeting where the congregation is in a better state of readiness to receive revelation and inspiration from a speaker than they are at a funeral. This privilege is being taken away from us because we don't understand the order of things--the unwritten order of things--that relates to the administration of the Church and the reception of the Spirit.
Our bishops should not give our meetings away. That is true of our missionary farewells. We're deeply worried that they now have become kind of reunions in front of ward members. The depth of spiritual training and teaching which could go on is being lost. We have failed to remember that it is a sacrament meeting and that the bishop presides.
There are many things I could say about such matters as wearing Sunday best. Do you know what "Sunday best" means? It used to be the case. Now we see ever more informal, even slouchy, clothing in our meetings, even in sacrament meeting, that leads to informal and slouchy conduct.
Here is a link to the whole talk:
It's unbelievable, arrogant and disgusting. It truly shows who this man really is. In other words, let's take advantage of people at their lowest point, to try to convert them to the Mormon Church. The entire purpose of a funeral is to Convert people and has nothing to do with the deceased? Is he smoking crack? I just can't believe that he then begins to ask, like we are all stupid little 2 year olds, if we even know what "Sunday Best" even is.
Let me tell you something Mr. Packer, I served a mission in South America where people wore rags to Church, are you condemning them? Are you mocking their poverty as you strut around in your $1,000 + suits without a care in the world due to your healthy "paycheck" that God gives you every month?
I think I'll head down to South America and share your "inspired" words with everybody and see what happens. Maybe they can sell you their gold fillings to help build a temple in Brazil? Oh wait, they already did that!! Maybe they can give you 1 out of every 10 chicken eggs, oh wait, the Church does that in Africa!! Plain and simple, the Mormon Church is filthy rich and robs from the poor to continue on with their lifestyles of filth lucre!!
What an arrogant, condescending, pompous ass!! I can see why this talk had to be "Whitewashed."
At least he gave "permission" for someone from the family of the deceased to actually talk but only if "their remarks should be in keeping with the spirit of the meeting." How nice of him!! If he hadn't, it wouldn't be allowed. Amazing how comments or opinions become commandments, kind of like the whole 2 earring BS by Hinckley, Ballard and then Bednar.
Now I've also been to funerals of past Bishop's and guess what, it was all about the Bishop, what a great guy he was, how loving, how wonderful, etc. So once again, they are hypocrites, do as we say, not as we do. They live by a different set of laws and standards then us normal peon's and who are we to question God's anointed. Damn cult!!
You see, this talk, still exists internally in the Church, is used in Religion courses to study, but isn't "officially" available to the public on the Churches website. I guess I feel the need to show the "wanna be TBM's" that lurk around on this site, proof, absolute proof that this talk did exist, so they don't think we are making it up.
Isn't it interesting how many talks that Boyd K. Packer has given that "don't exist" anymore. Let's see, "The Little Factory" talk was removed from the Priesthood session in which it was given, 1976. Notice that there are only 4 talks instead of the normal 5. The "To the One" talk is not on the speeches website that goes back to March 5, 1978 at a 12 Stake Fireside at BYU. Now we discover that "The Unwritten Order of Things" also given at BYU, in 1996, like "To the One", doesn't exist either.
This begs another question. Why do they always go to BYU to deliver these controversial talks. I want to see it in General Conference. Bednar and earrings, we are against homosexuals, don't talk about the deceased at funerals, Mark E. Peterson's "racist" talk in I think 1954. I mean, come one guys, why do you have to hide out at BYU to give these ridiculous and offensive talks. Tell the whole world what you believe, you damn cowards!! Quit hiding at BYU and then "whitewashing" your talk when it is deemed too offensive!!
Now, something else that I've had on my mind for a few weeks now. First of all, for those of you that seem to be so offended by my anger or others anger at these types of things, for those that appear to be so passive about everything, do me and yourself a favor and don't click on my links or others that you don't like. Nobody is forcing you to read it!! I've seen those "passive people", that are offended by any anger, tell others not to click on their links if they don't like what they have to say. I'm sick of people trying to tell me that this stuff shouldn't make me angry. Fine, you have a right to not care and be passive and I have a right to be pissed off, right? You know who you are!!
How about we respect each other and pretend that we aren't in the Morg, where everyone has to believe and think the same way like they are robots. I don't have a problem with people that aren't bothered with these types of things, have no anger, etc. I may not understand it but I know that it is their way and their right to feel how they feel. But I do have a problem with people that don't have any anger, telling me, that I should think like them and not have any anger. Everyone has the right to feel how they feel. I know this may seem strange to a "Morgbot" but we do our freedom, don't we?
Sometimes on this board, as I read responses to people's posts, I feel like I'm back in the Mormon Church and that everyone is expected to conform and all think alike in order to keep everyone happy. I didn't leave the Church and gain my freedom, just to give it away again. It's okay to disagree and not understand, but we don't need to attack each other!!
Most people on this board, in my opinion, are all either heading in the same basic direction or already there, we are just all taking our own paths and what is wrong with that? I know that the "mind frame", it has to be my way or no way thinking, comes from the brainwashing since birth from the Mormon Church. We all have to try a little harder to respect each other and our personal and distinct paths, that is all that I'm saying.
Lately, I've just seen too many people that feel like everyone has to think only one way and we've all been guilty of that at one point or another. A lot of us have incredible passion that has come with our new knowledge that we have been deceived and lied to for our entire life. The point of this board, is for us to be able to express ourselves, recover from Mormonism, and we all have our own paths to take, so all I ask is a little respect, on both sides. Let's let people say what they feel and express themselves in a way that makes them comfortable individually. If "wanna be TBM's" or "True TBM's" or "TBM's in transition", those exmo's with active spouses, etc, are lurking around and my words offend them, who cares? Like Hinckley says about all the different versions of the "First Vision", so what?
I love this place and it has been a huge part of my healing and recovery. I love the diversity of people and opinions and the knowledge that I gain here. My anger isn't once what it was, even a month ago, but I'm still angry when I read this kind of crap by a supposed Apostle of God. Who does Boyd K Packer think he is to have so much control over members of the Church? It is sad!! I can't help that it makes me angry and I'm not gonna apologize to those who don't get angry over it. To me and many others, this is a big deal!! I don't think anybody wants to be like Boyd K. Packer with a "God complex!!" To each their own, let's just have respect for one another!!
Samuel the Utahnite
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